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TOPIC: Missing death date of me!

Missing death date of me! 1 year 2 months ago #1

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I took a webtrees report missing data birth and death date checked. When I looded the result pdf, I found that my death date is missint!!! And I feel myself living. Haha.

So.. The question is that how I mark me to living people? When I upload data with GedCom file, is there a field to mark person a live? If there is, then I should find from FinFamily genealogical program to mar me alive and some other people too...
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Missing death date of me! 4 months 6 days ago #2

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Obviously there should be exception for data, which is not realistic.
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Missing death date of me! 4 months 6 days ago #3

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Is your own date of birth correct? And of both your parents?
Might sound like a stupid question, but just checking...
There is something in your data that makes webtrees think you're well over 100 years old.
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Missing death date of me! 4 months 6 days ago #4

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I don't have time to check, but I think this report is very simple. It just looks for all records that do not have the selected facts/events.

i.e. It does not calculate ages, and therefore does not know if an individual is living/dead.
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Missing death date of me! 4 months 6 days ago #5

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The Control Panel > Batch Update > Add Missing Death Records has been working correctly.
The Control Panel > Privacy > Age to assume an individual is dead ... is normally set at 100 (years). There are also some other Privacy settings that can impact these results.
The Batch Report only provides data based on the parameters you set.

The Missing Data Report works differently. It provides a list of specific missing information for any PUBLIC person related to the individual you enter.
It will not report missing data on living persons unless they have been made public.
If you set your birth as:
1 BIRT
2 RESN none
... you have effectively made your individual page public and have overridden the privacy settings, and you will be listed as missing a date & place of birth AND death (or any other designated information.)
These reports are working properly & as intended as far as I can determine.
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Missing death date of me! 4 months 5 days ago #6

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Settings are:

Control panel/Manage family trees/Tree— Privacy

Age at which to assume an individual is dead "120"

Extend privacy to dead individuals "0"
born in the last years or died in the last "100" years

All dates of birth are in place and correct up to grand-parents, but still missing death date of me and other living relatives.
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Missing death date of me! 4 months 5 days ago #7

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iplat wrote:
Settings are:

Control panel/Manage family trees/Tree— Privacy

Age at which to assume an individual is dead "120"

Extend privacy to dead individuals "0"
born in the last years or died in the last "100" years

All dates of birth are in place and correct up to grand-parents, but still missing death date of me and other living relatives.

None of that is relevant to the "missing data" report. Greg is correct. It is a very simple report. A better description might be "not recorded" rather than missing. It simply says that you do not have a death recorded. Whether it should be recorded or not is not considered.

In many cases this is a good thing as it avoids the possibility some other error results in a false result in estimating if death " might" have occurred.
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Missing death date of me! 4 months 5 days ago #8

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If "none of that is relevant," why does the report ONLY list missing data for individuals that are "public (i.e. not living?) Since it does not list death data for my living relatives, there must be some parameters for individuals to be included in the report.
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Missing death date of me! 4 months 5 days ago #9

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thomas52 wrote:
If "none of that is relevant," why does the report ONLY list missing data for individuals that are "public (i.e. not living?) Since it does not list death data for my living relatives, there must be some parameters for individuals to be included in the report.

The system has hooks to control whether a record can be displayed, hence why throughout the code "living" people are hidden from public view (normally).

That is quite separate from the simplistic way this particular tool looks for what it terms as "missing" data. For that it just looks to see if the person(s) being displayed have a particular tag in their record or not. If not, it's listed as missing. Easy, and fast.

It could of course be re-written to take account of whether each tag "should" be missing, but that presents it's own issues / potential issues such as:
  • Resources required
  • False positives due to the nature of the complex "isdead ?" algorithm, either factually or because the dates of some related person are wrong, badly estimated or whatever.
IMHO the simple approach works fine as long as you are aware of it's limitations. After all, does it really matter if it says I'm one of the people in my family who doesn't have a death record? It's not compelling me to do anything about it.

EDIT, for further clarification:
thomas52 wrote:
Since it does not list death data for my living relatives
It does show death data for living relatives if you are logged in (hence the original question)
If you are not logged in it won't show anything for living relatives. They are totally excluded under normal privacy settings.

A greater question might perhaps be why have the Missing Data report available for public view at all? Surely it is only usefull to logged in viewers, perhaps even only those with edit ot greater access? The setting options are there in module/report settings
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