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How to handle first name translations ? 1 year 4 months ago #1

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Hi,

I have several individuals that lived near the french/german border and which were like born french, married as germans and died as french anew. In the documents I've found, their first names were translated according to the current country owning the territory. So a "Marie" became a "Maria" and vice-versa. Depending on which source I find first, the name I enter is thus either in french or in german, which makes subsequent searches harder

Last names were usually kept untranslated, so this is not of relevance.

I'm assuming this constellation happens also with individuals living on other territory borders.

-> How to handle the dual first names within webtrees ? Currently I'm filling the first name field with "Marie (Maria)", but this is not perfect, especially I have to make sure that it is always in the order "french (german)"

Should I rather go on surnames or casual names (NICK / AKA fields) ?

Many thanks
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How to handle first name translations ? 1 year 4 months ago #2

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I wrote this article in the wiki a bunch of years ago. Maybe it will give you a hint?

wiki.webtrees.net/en/Names:_Advanced_Topics

I would enter the name twice with a TYPE of French or German.
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How to handle first name translations ? 1 year 4 months ago #3

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Many thanks for the link. Had already read the article but did not really see the practical way of implementing my case

I gave your proposal a try, manually editing the gedcom code and it works fine, webtrees understands the syntax and display the two names as expected.

Regarding the type, I found no way to select anything else than the items in the dropdown list. Even after adding manually the french/german types, they don't appear in the types list.
Also I found no gui-based way to add another name to an individual, besides using the gedcom editor
I also see no "user defined" type in the dropdown list - Am I missing some update of the database ? (using 1.7.9)

Am I doing something wrong here ?

Thanks
Last Edit: 1 year 4 months ago by jhf2442. Reason: add info about no user defined entry
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How to handle first name translations ? 1 year 4 months ago #4

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In the menu bar at the top you'll find "Add Name" under the Edit icon.
stamboom.BertKoor.nl runs on webtrees v1.7.9
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How to handle first name translations ? 1 year 4 months ago #5

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There isn't any GEDCOM tag that might indicate that the name is written using French spelling or German spelling, etc.

The "type" field is probably the wrong place for this information - as we'd end up needing them in multiple combinations - french married name, german adopted name, etc.

It would be great if there was something to indicate the language, as it would allow us to do much better "sounds-like" searching.

It would also allow us to select a name according to the language of a visitor - i.e. a french user would see the french name first, and a german user would see the german name first.

webtrees does have a limited support for this - we match the character set of the name with the character set of the language, so a russion visitor would see a name written in cyrillic letters in preference to one in latin letters.

> I have several individuals that lived near the french/german border and which were like born french, married as germans and died as french anew. In the documents I've found, their first names were translated according to the current country owning the territory. So a "Marie" became a "Maria" and vice-versa. Depending on which source I find first, the name I enter is thus either in french or in german, which makes subsequent searches harder

I would record two separate name records for this individual. This way, both will appear on lists and both can be found in searches.

1 NAME Maria /Dupont/
2 GIVN Maria
2 SURN Dupont
1 NAME Marie /Duport/
2 GIVN Marie
2 SURN Dupont
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How to handle first name translations ? 1 year 4 months ago #6

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@Greg : many thanks for the clarification

@Bertkoor : had to search a while until I took notice of the edit menu ! actually never used it and wouldn't expect to get some individual-specific functions there :-(

Marking the thread as solved.
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[SOLVED] How to handle first name translations ? 1 year 4 months ago #7

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Problem solved.
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[SOLVED] How to handle first name translations ? 1 year 4 months ago #8

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> had to search a while until I took notice of the edit menu ! actually never used it and wouldn't expect to get some individual-specific functions there :-(

That's something I'm aware of, and plan to change in the next release:

github.com/fisharebest/webtrees/issues/1364
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