Question 1 DEAT Y output
- JustCarmen
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I've asked questions about it on Github . In my opinion it is a bug to just leave the field completely empty on the facts and events tab when a 1 DEAT Y is recorded. There is no visitor who will understand the meaning of an empty field without any text! So I strongly vote to bring the text "Yes" back to the empty field to indicate a positive death record. A death event is not always that obvious and even when it is, then I don't think the field should be left completely empty. Curious about your opinion.
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- bertkoor
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+1 for showing "Yes" (probably a good idea for all events/facts) but only when no other details are known.
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- rsbarreiro
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P.S.: I think that Vesta modules should also adopt this practice...
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- drblam
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This one complained about a spurious "yes" appearing in many fields, including occupation, and was linked to this github issue
This one described a bug where an individual already had the entry "1 DEAT Y" but still showed up in statistics of longest-living people.
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It would be nice to have this option for the "death" entry, so I could tailor the language as "Dead, but circumstances unknown" or "Dead, date & place unknown."
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While technically alright, do scratch your head when encountering a Baptism Yes without further details
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photon flip wrote: By the logic for "Death Yes" we should have "Birth Yes", "Baptism Yes", "Burial Yes" etc. etc. That's a statement about the Gedcom notation and makes no sense to a visitor interested in their family information. I agree with Lars1963 and thomas52 use something that is informative of the real world facts, known or stated as unknown.
the point is that it is common for gedcom to have "1 DEAT Y" and this generates an empty death ticket. It is not common to have "1 BIRT Y" or "1 BAPM Y" ... but if it existed then it should also appear with "yes" ...
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- phicome
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- Individu né en 1650 => Décès Oui = évident. Comme Thomas 52, je préfére "Date et lieu inconnus".
- Pour des évènements comme "Jamais marié(e)" ou pour un couple "Non mariés" "Yes" est implicite.
"Yes" has no interest:
- Individual born in 1650 => Death Yes = obvious. Like Thomas 52, I prefer "Date and place unknown".
- For events like "Never married" or for a "Unmarried" couple "Yes" is implied.
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- JustCarmen
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True, but it still doesn't justify an empty field. That is the issue.Individual born in 1650 => Death Yes = obvious.
'Yes' also implies date and place unknown, otherwise the date and/or place were filled in. And 'Yes' could be used in other cases too like 'Never married' etc. So it is consistent.I prefer "Date and place unknown".
Agreethe point is that it is common for gedcom to have "1 DEAT Y" and this generates an empty death ticket. It is not common to have "1 BIRT Y" or "1 BAPM Y" ... but if it existed then it should also appear with "yes" ...
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So I would vote for “Birth Place/Date Unknown”, “Christening Date/Place Unknown”, “Death Place/Date Unknown”, “Marriage Place/Date Unknown”
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A quoi sert "1 BIRT Y" ? Tous les individus de ma généalogie sont nés.
It was only my opinion ...
What is "1 BIRT Y" used for? All the individuals in my genealogy are born.
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- bertkoor
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Ken wrote: Technically in GEDCOM only four event tags allow a “Y” following the tag, BIRT, CHR, DEAT, and MARR.
- BIRT Y is indeed futile, being born is implicit
- CHR Y (and not BAPM?) without any further details like religion or source is questionable to record at all, but there could be good reasons to
- MARR Y well in most cases we're actually not 100% sure, otherwise the details would be recorded But I really like the link it renders to the family in the event overview
- DEAT Y really stands out. It does add value for things like privacy calculations, especially in case no other dates are known - it's not needed in case it's already known he was born centuries ago.
But we are not the committee to do recommendations on best gedcom practices.
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