Question cemeteries - GOV
- mariannevanharten
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I am looking for a convenient way to store the burials in my tree. How do I store the cemeteries in my tree and connect them to the burial event?
When I have to store a burial, I may be have only to enter the GOV ID and the date.
0 INDI ...
1 NAME ...
1 BURI
2 DATE 13 JUN 2021
2 CEME @B12345@
...
0 @B12345@ CEME
1 NAME Begraafplaats Rusthof Leusden
1 ADDR Dodeweg 31
2 CITY Leusden
2 MAP
3 LATI N52.1289
3 LONG E5.37563
1 _LOC BEGDE1JO22QD
In this example there is no link between the GOV database and my tree.
What do I have to do to create a connection to the GOV database?
Best regards,
Marianne
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/app/config.php - lines 133-134 (lines numbers may vary) to
I would be interested in knowing if this mod works in v.2.'CEME' => array(// CEME is NOT a valid 5.5.1 tag\par
'BURI'
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"Failure is an amazing teacher." (L'échec est un professeur extraordinaire.)
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- bertkoor
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In my opinion cemeteries are "just" places. Treat them as such, and all should work fine.
I'd advice to put the cemetery hierarchically under the town:
stamboom.BertKoor.nl runs on webtrees v1.7.13
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- ric2015
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How do you expect webtrees (or any other genealogy program) to work out what it is
Good point - Marianne, is this something you came up with yourself, or are these records created by another genealogy program?
There are extensions for top-level places (not cemeteries in particular, but usable for cemeteries) and for GOV-Ids, but they are defined differently.
If you use '_LOC' instead of 'CEME', and '_GOV' instead of '_LOC', you're close to the GEDCOM-L specification, see e.g. here . You'd still have to use PLAC in your burial events though.
Richard
webtrees 2.1.17 at cissee.de/webtrees2
Vesta custom modules (Classic Look & Feel, Gov4webtrees, Shared Places, Extended Relationships) available at cissee.de
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When you are using location records you can use
Code:0 INDI ... 1 NAME ... 1 BURI 2 DATE 13 JUN 2021 2 PLAC Begraafplaats Rusthof, Leusden, Utrecht, Nederland 3 ADDR Dodeweg 31 2 _LOC @L1@
I think, the _LOC is a subtag of the PLAC tag, so it should be 3_LOC @L1@
Code:0 @L1@ _LOC 1 _GOV BEGDE1JO22QD 1 NAME Begraafplaats Rusthof Leusden 1 MAP 2 LATI N52.1289 2 LONG E5.37563
The LATI/LONG tags for the cemetery belong to the _LOC record, when you have coordinates for the grave, than they belong as subtags to the PLAC tag.
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- mariannevanharten
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Good point - Marianne, is this something you came up with yourself, or are these records created by another genealogy program?
I only work in Excel creating my gedcom (using GedTool). The used structure was came up myself.
If you use '_LOC' instead of 'CEME', and '_GOV' instead of '_LOC', you're close to the GEDCOM-L specification, see e.g. here . You'd still have to use PLAC in your burial events though.[/quote]
Because many cemeteries are used very often, I do not like to use them in the INDI record. I am looking for a convenient way to record the cemeteries and assign them with a few lines in the INDI section.
I often don't have LATI/LONG about the single grave; the LATI/LONG are the coordinates of the whole cemetery. Sometimes I have a location of the grave - I use CALN for these situations.
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Cemeteries ARE places, just like a city, town or a home, farm. Yes they get reused just like these previously mentioned places.
I’m not sure why you think they are any harder to deal with than a town!
I have several cemeteries where multiple members of my family are buried, one cemetery where half the “population” is family. And I’m sure that some cemeteries in the USA are all the same family.
I use the PLAC tag for all cemeteries, even the plot location within the cemetery.
I also use the non-GEDCOM extension of Vesta to create a PLAC (_LOC) record in the webtrees database (NOT _GOV) to save detail information, pictures of places, (cities, towns, farms, homes) along with stories about these places. None of this requires me to create additional GEDCOM like structures.
I think you are reinventing the wheel in your Excel program.
If you need some additional guidance ask more questions.
EDIT: Fix a wrong comment about _LOC
Ken
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I've even defined some plot locations at cemeteries as a location record, because there are several family members are buried in one grave. And I'm using PLAC at the BURI event. And btw: ADDR should be on the same level as PLAC and not below it.
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- norwegian_sardines
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I miss spoke in that it is not a GOV location. It is a _LOC record in the webtrees database. I will fix my comment!
Ken
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I think you are confused about the difference between the FACT->SOUR->REPO data used to source the information you collected from the grave marker and the FACT->PLAC->_LOC data used to map the location of a grave.
For sourcing I use the grave marker to as the source (Source_Record) and the repository (Repository_Record) to identify the cemetery. This is standard GEDCOM and will/should work anywhere.
For mapping in webtrees I use the mapping feature of webtrees with the Vesta extension to provide additional detail through the "Shared Places" extension. The coordinates are kept in a separate part of webtrees.
Because the location of the grave within the cemetery is random, I don't have a plot number in the REPO:CALN tag, but if I did have a row/plot I would have written it out like: 2 CALN Row: 5, Plot:10.
Most of the OBJE tags are to pictures of either the Church, Grave or aerial photos of the surrounding area.
I could have added coordinates for the locations of the church, grave yard and grave marker, this would have been redundant as they are also part of the webtrees based mapping facility that I've used since very early in my use of webtrees.
Ken
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- mariannevanharten
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Thank you very much!
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