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Webtrees use by a Genealogical Association 1 month 4 days ago #1

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I am pondering the use of Webtrees as the main/unified software for the historical/genealogical association I participate to.

Does anybody on this forum have experience/feedback on using Webtrees with 3 to 5 moderators and about 15 active contributors, more specifically on the moderation/validation side of things?

Also, I am being challenged by members of the association as Webtrees is tied to the Gedcom format, so I am reaching out to members of this forum to check if there are workaround for the shortcomings of this format (i.e: are there Webtrees modules that could be used as a stop-gap). I am assuming the answer is no as I couldn't find searching the Webtrees site and this forum, but just in case I prefer to ask directly:
  • Is there a way to attach medias to locations? This is absolutely critical as the association is not only about genealogy but also about history/archives in general.
  • Is there a way to manage institutions (companies, military corps, etc...) with creation and end date, attached medias, members, etc...?

Thanks :)

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Webtrees use by a Genealogical Association 1 month 4 days ago #2

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I know several genealogical associations that use webtrees.

One example is www.ghezibde.net/genealogie/

It has 6 admins, about 1000 editors (perhaps 50 are relatively active), making 500-1000 edits/day.

They have been using webtrees since it started.

I know of several other similar organisations, but this is the largest.

> Is there a way to attach medias to locations?

There is an unofficial GEDCOM extension which defines a "Location" record.
webtrees will introduce basic support for these in the next major release (2.1.0), although there are currently third-party modules that will provide support for these in the current version.

> Is there a way to manage institutions (companies, military corps, etc...) with creation and end date, attached medias, members, etc...?

The closest analogy in GEDCOM would be the "Repository" records, although this isn't exactly what you are looking for, as most of your data would need to be stored in unstructured notes - rather than structured fields.

FYI, webtrees 2.1.0 (expected later this year) provides a mechanism to support custom GEDCOM structures and records, so you could use this to create "Organisation" records with the fields you want.

Obviously, using non-standard GEDCOM structures limits the portability of your data.
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Webtrees use by a Genealogical Association 1 month 4 days ago #3

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Yann64 asked:

Is there a way to manage institutions (companies, military corps, etc...) with creation and end date, attached medias, members, etc...?

Can you explain what your goal is with this statement, what is the relationship of these entities to the data of a genealogy?
Ken

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Webtrees use by a Genealogical Association 1 month 3 days ago #4

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Hi norwegian_sardines,

Gedcon format allows storing information regarding the occupation of an individual (OCCU tag) and associate an agency tag (AGNC) to track the associated company/institution.
But just having the AGNC tag filled-up is not enough for an association working not only on the genealogy of a specific area, but also its history at large, which mean following the "life cycle" of organizations (creation, ownership, location, type of business, members, events like take-overs, etc... of small shops to bigger businesses, schools, military corps, etc... ).

This type of information is very similar to the information associated to individuals, this is why I was enquiring if somebody had achieved to store it using a webtrees module.
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For now it is stored in separate softwares/databases, making answering question like "what is the average age of person starting to work in a particular trade of a specific city", or "what is the average life span of pubs/bars in this city" a bit tedious (but not impossible) to answer.

I understand this is not directly linked to genealogy data (and I personally do not need it on my personal webtrees site), but for historians going beyond the simple scope of genealogy, this is absolutely critical information.

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Webtrees use by a Genealogical Association 1 month 3 days ago #5

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Hi fisharebest,

The example you give answers my question regarding number of users, thanks!

Gedcom extensions indeed look like a potential solution for my organizations requirement.
What is the maturity level of 2.1.0? Is the ui for Gedcom extensions already in place so I can test it on a separate server?

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> What is the maturity level of 2.1.0? Is the ui for Gedcom extensions already in place so I can test it

Creating new custom elements and structures in GEDCOM is (and probably always will be) a coding exercise. Not the sort of thing you would do using a GUI.

I hope to get a beta release out fairly soon.
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Yann64 said:

But just having the AGNC tag filled-up is not enough for an association working not only on the genealogy of a specific area, but also its history at large, which mean following the "life cycle" of organizations (creation, ownership, location, type of business, members, events like take-overs, etc... of small shops to bigger businesses, schools, military corps, etc... )..

Yes, technically and more importantly “spiritually” is not the tool for storing the genealogy of a business or other “non-human” entity. We have been told of some success using webtrees to track animal genealogy (horses and dogs) using translation files to substitute terms for various concepts.

If you were to treat a business and other organizations in the same fashion as a “place”, using one of the extension, you could write up an history document for that organization and have a page dedicated to that organization.

For example: In my genealogy I create a “location” page for cities, cemeteries, hospitals, etc, where family members interacted, I could (but don’t ) create an “occupation” tag with a “place” tag that looked like this:
1 OCCU Grocer
2 PLAC Hansen Grocery, Bergen, Hordaland, Norway

Then create a _LOC record (using the code from the Vesta add-on) to generate a written history of that business.

I already did that for Bergen, I could also include historical pictures of the city as well. I’m traveling now so I can’t experiment for you but this makes some logical sense.
Ken

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Webtrees use by a Genealogical Association 1 month 17 hours ago #8

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For example: In my genealogy I create a “location” page for cities, cemeteries, hospitals, etc, where family members interacted, I could (but don’t ) create an “occupation” tag with a “place” tag that looked like this:
1 OCCU Grocer
2 PLAC Hansen Grocery, Bergen, Hordaland, Norway

Then create a _LOC record (using the code from the Vesta add-on) to generate a written history of that business.

Thanks for the hint, will try this

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