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Married names 8 years 11 months ago #1

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An observation...

1. Having an existing male individual, and adding a new partner, she gets the males surname filled in by default as her married surname. Nice...

2. Having an existing female individual, and adding a new partner, she does not get the surname of the new husband added automatically as her married name.

This leads to inconsistencies in the data. If you don't think about adding married names yourself, then about half the population does not get married names from their partners. It depends on who was entered first in the system: the male or female individual.

Is that a bug, or by design? I can understand the processing for correcting situation 2 so the result is the same for 1 would be ehrm.. not so straight forward.
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Re: Married names 8 years 11 months ago #2

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How would this be accomplished?
In your first scenario, you have accessed the GUI to add a spouse (female) to an existing male in order to create the family unit. Yes, the assumption is made that the woman will use the western convention of taking her husband's surname as hers, but the GUI is designed to allow easy modification (hypenated surname, or no adaptation) before adding the new INDI to the database.

Under the second scenario, we are using the GUI to add the details of the spouse (male) to the existing female to create the family unit. There is no modification of the female's record except to add the 1 FAMS tag to signify the new family. Since we have no accessed a GUI form for the female's name portion, how would the change you suggest be made? Wouldn't it likely introduce possibly more errors based on errant assumptions than the current action? I don't want webtrees making any assumptions for my records. I want to control the data entry process.

I don't find this inconsistent, but more necessary.
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Re: Married names 8 years 11 months ago #3

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Hello,

In my case, I have to get rid of the married name added automatically because women keep their maiden name in Quebec.. Actually, I often forget to remove this automatic "addition" and I have to correct these afterwards. For me this automatic addition is more a nuisance but I live with it.

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Re: Married names 8 years 11 months ago #4

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Jackie,

Same here. Most Norwegians that I'm studying don't have surnames to inherit! ;-)
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Re: Married names 8 years 11 months ago #5

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because women keep their maiden name in Quebec.

We have a range of "surname traditions" that can be set to control these defaults. Perhaps "none" should be one of them?
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Re: Married names 8 years 11 months ago #6

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Perhaps "none" should be one of them?


There already is an option for "none".
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Re: Married names 8 years 11 months ago #7

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I only looked at the Help screen - should have looked closer.

Jackie / Ken that should help you. Its on Administration -> your family tree -> Edit options -> Other settings - Surname tradition.

Setting "none" removes the default married name feature completely when adding new wife.
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Re: Married names 8 years 11 months ago #8

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How about that, I never thought about setting that flag. For me in Norway that works better. I had for a while used Icelandic but now that I don't use surnames at all this is best for me. For Jackie this is probably not right because I think the children still inherit the fathers surname just not the wife upon marriage.
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Re: Married names 8 years 11 months ago #9

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norwegian_sardines wrote: For Jackie this is probably not right because I think the children still inherit the fathers surname just not the wife upon marriage.


Ken, correct !

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