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6 years 3 months ago - 6 years 3 months ago #1 by anjop
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I added the field Holocaus to the facts of individual records and so can add information about relatives killed by the Nazi. Now I want to search for those people or make a list or report of all who have information about Holocaust or at least Holocaus “yes”. But can’t find any list or report with this category nor can I find a place where to activate this. And by search for Holocaus i don’t find anything.
What can I do please?
Thanks!
Andreas

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6 years 3 months ago #2 by thomas52
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You don't have a 'category,' but a fact or event.
Entering "Holocaust" in your search box at top right for you website results in one record: Vrba @ www.helmutpaul.at/individual.php?pid=I62
In time, your data will be propagated via search engines, and a Google site search can provide your results, i.e.

site:www.helmutpaul.at holocaust

I hope this gives you some answer to your question.

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6 years 3 months ago - 6 years 3 months ago #3 by anjop
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Dear Thomas!

Thx! Yes this is “uncle Rudo” who escaped from Auschwitz and survived.
If you enter Shoah in the top right search field you get much more persons! They did not survive. Many of them I already also gave the event Holocaust. So I thought one should be able to find them too?
And a list or report with the event “Holocaust” I cant find?

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6 years 3 months ago #4 by bertkoor
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I guess your personal records contain "_HOL" tags. On the pages this gets translated to "Holocaust" (in English at least) but this cannot be used as a search criterium from the search field at the top right on all the pages.

However the Advanced Search facilitates this type of searching. At the bottom of the form click on "Add more fields". Then select "Holocaust" from the list and fill in a dot in the text field. This will search for the tag "_HOL" with contents matching anything (that's what the dot stands for) thus giving you a list of persons with a Holocaust fact / event.

Another thing I have done in my own tree, is create shared notes for several situations. For instance I have a shared note "Analphabetic" which I add to an Education fact (or better worded: EDUC none = the lack of education). So from the list of shared notes I can directly get a list of all persons to which this note was added.

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6 years 3 months ago #5 by bertkoor
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Addition: I have just tried searching via Advanced Search for "Holocaust" events on your site, but it comes up with zero or no results.
Sorry, I have no idea why no match pops up. Maybe if you can show us the raw gedcom record of an example individual we can analyse it.

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6 years 3 months ago #6 by thomas52
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I suggest trying this: download or export your gedcom to your computer.
Then immediately import the same gedcom to your website.
This will not change anything in your gedcom or website, but will "rebuild" the connections.
(Make a good backup first.)
I'm not entirely clear on this; for more see: www.webtrees.net/index.php/en/forum/help...es-in-database#64672

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6 years 3 months ago #7 by anjop
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Thx Bert for your useful ideas!
Yes searching in advanced search as you suggest I already tried with no result as you too expirenced.
Sorry for my simple questions.
How to export a single gedcom raw file from one or a few persons? I just don’t find the possibility!
And where do I see the ID of a single person whiteout going into gedcom edit?
Thx for all help!

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6 years 3 months ago - 6 years 3 months ago #8 by bertkoor
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In my opinion Export & Import (to rebuild the indexes) is a last resort when all other options are tried. Since we are yet clueless to what the cause is, I would not recommend it. What you do lose in that process is the whole edit history.

Once we know how your Holocaust facts are physically stored, we better know how to retrieve them.
The easiest way to see the raw gedcom is through menu Edit (should be in the top menu)

You can also add the person to the Clipping Cart and download that.
The ID of your individual is in the URL of the page.

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6 years 3 months ago - 6 years 3 months ago #9 by anjop
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Thx!

From ID 362

From edit menu I get gedcom items one by one. I attach a gedcom file for this person. Hope you can help me. Ich hope i understand your advices and questions in a correct way?

Thx a lot!

1 _HOL
2 DATE 15 JUN 1942
2 PLAC KZ Maly Trostinec, Minsk, Belarus
2 SOUR @S85@
3 DATA
4 TEXT Ermordet im KZ Maly Trostinec

From downloaded ged file as I don’t succeed to attach the file:

0 HEAD
1 SOUR webtrees
2 NAME webtrees
2 VERS 1.7.9
1 DEST DISKETTE
1 DATE 20 DEC 2017
2 TIME 16:27:39
1 GEDC
2 VERS 5.5.1
2 FORM Lineage-Linked
1 CHAR UTF-8
1 FILE paul
1 PLAC
2 FORM Stadt, Kreis, (Bundes)Land, Staat
1 SUBM @SUBM@
0 @SUBM@ SUBM
1 NAME anjop
1 _UID 10F6C1B9B1A8B4574EC2E575495BA9E2
0 @I362@ INDI
1 NAME Vera /Kanitz/
1 SEX F
1 DEAT
2 DATE 15 JUN 1942
2 CAUS Shoah
2 PLAC KZ Maly Trostinec, Minsk, Belarus
1 BIRT
2 DATE 7 DEC 1933
1 _HOL
2 DATE 15 JUN 1942
2 PLAC KZ Maly Trostinec, Minsk, Belarus
2 SOUR @S85@
3 DATA
4 TEXT Ermordet im KZ Maly Trostinec
1 CHAN
2 DATE 20 DEC 2017
3 TIME 14:22:17
2 _WT_USER anjop
1 SOUR @WEBTREES@
2 PAGE www.helmutpaul.at/individual.php?pid=I362&ged=paul
0 @S85@ SOUR
1 TITL Dokumentationsarchiv Widerstand
1 NOTE über Yad Vashem
1 CHAN
2 DATE 06 FEB 2016
3 TIME 09:58:42
1 ABBR DÖW
1 _UID BE84330B759E83AE45FF386C2480092F
1 NOTE www.helmutpaul.at/source.php?sid=S85&ged=paul
0 @WEBTREES@ SOUR
1 TITL www.helmutpaul.at/
0 TRLR

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6 years 3 months ago #10 by thomas52
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Your search routine may not recognize

1 _HOL

Try adding "Holocaust" to your text or notes & see if that works

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6 years 3 months ago #11 by anjop
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I just tried in advanced search „Holocaust“ with Asterisk * and got this:

/home/.sites/84/site4367585/web/gen/app/Statement.php:82 SQLSTATE[42000]: Syntax error or access violation: 1139 Got error 'repetition-operator operand invalid' from regexp #0 /app/Statement.php:82 PDOException("SQLSTATE[42000]: Syntax error or access violation: 1139 Got error 'repetition-operator operand invalid' from regexp") #1 /app/Controller/AdvancedSearchController.php:641 execute([array]) #2 /app/Controller/AdvancedSearchController.php:62 advancedSearch() #3 /search_advanced.php:23 __construct()

I am worried!
Those this mean anything to you?
Would be happy for your help,
Thx,

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6 years 3 months ago #12 by thomas52
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Does it give you the same error WITHOUT "Asterisk *"?

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6 years 3 months ago #13 by fisharebest
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_HOL is a custom tag. There is no clearly defined way to use it.

If I remember correctly, the person who created it simply uses

1 _HOL Y

> I just tried in advanced search „Holocaust“ with Asterisk * and got this:

Firstly, the advanced search is looking for text after the _HOL

e.g. if you have

1 _HOL xxx yyy zzz

Then you can search for "yyy"

But in your data, there is nothing to search.

Secondly, the error message means that your search is badly formatted. "*" means zero or more of something - but you did not specify something. ".*" would be valid (zero or more of any character).

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6 years 3 months ago - 6 years 3 months ago #14 by bertkoor
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The problem lies here:
Code:
1 _HOL

There is no further content on that line (and there's not supposed to be afaik) so it cannot be searched for. That is, I do not know how to match 'nothing'. With regular expressions you could search for "^$" which means nothing from start to end, but that doesn't give any results as well.

@Greg: feature request?? There are more tags that get this kind of structure, but there's no easy way to retrieve what records use them.

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6 years 3 months ago #15 by anjop
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A BIG THANKS to all of you sharing your time to solve problems!
That's just great!

@thomas52: It gives this failure message only with „*“ or „?“. I tried those as I thought they are like wildcards for what ever could be in this field.

@fisharebest: "But in your data, there is nothing to search.“ If I have no specified data about the „Holocaust“ I can’t put anything there. I try to give data, so e.g. when I don’t know anything at least I write „1939-1945“ in the date field not knowing exactly what this field should be used for.

In many (all?) events there is the checkbox „yes“. I realise that the first time I enter an event this checkbox is checked. Next time when editing normally its not checked. Sometimes in there is the word „yes“ after saving the event sometimes not. I can see the difference also in the raw gedcom text. I can’t see a clear logic. IF with Holocaust at least this checkbox would give a „YES“ in the data, there would be something to search for, I suppose???

Is there an explanation for this strange behaviour?

My main wish would be to get a list or report with all persons with a Holocaust event.

Thanks again and going on in this interesting research!
Enjoy your evening / morning where ever you are!

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6 years 3 months ago #16 by thomas52
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We have a slight language problem here.
The is no "Holocaust" to search for. There is a custom tag _HOL that the software interprets as "Holocaust." It is NOT the same.
You need to put a searchable term in your event.
In each entry containing the custom tag, enter:
1 _HOL
2 DATE 15 JUN 1942
2 PLAC KZ Maly Trostinec, Minsk, Belarus
2 SOUR @S85@
3 DATA
4 TEXT Holocaust: Ermordet im KZ Maly Trostinec
...or
4 TEXT Ermordet im KZ Maly Trostinec (Holocaust)

In this way, each entry has a recognizable searchable term.

Alternatively, ignore the custom tag and create your own event entries:
1 EVEN Holocaust
2 DATE 15 JUN 1942
2 PLAC KZ Maly Trostinec, Minsk, Belarus
2 SOUR @S85@
3 DATA
4 TEXT Ermordet im KZ Maly Trostinec

Either of these options give you a searchable entry.

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6 years 3 months ago #17 by anjop
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Thank you Thomas!
Yes I use this custom tag _HOL and thought I could search for it. It doesn’t seem so as you explain. THANK YOU.

I started to use a shared note „died in Shoah“ which can be listed. I could use it in _HOL or just simply in DEATH.

What would be the advantage to use a custom event „Holocaust“? It would be necessary to write „Holocaust“ each time new.

I thought to get a more detailed overview with a separate tag. But maybe it just makes it more complicated?

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6 years 3 months ago #18 by thomas52
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Simply use any common distinctive searchable term for each 'Holocaust' event entry.
There would be no advantage to the custom event 'Holocaust,' except it would be a distinctive searchable entry.

I have several family members who graduated from West Point, the U.S. Military Academy.
For example, see the entry dated 1919 for this individual - www.adkins.ws/individual.php?pid=I007
I could search for "Military academy" to find them all. But I also have a distinctive image, so I can search for that. For example, see: bit.ly/2COAohn
or
www.adkins.ws/medialist.php?ged=Adkins.G...cademy&action=submit

I have similar images for my 'Historical Facts.' Go to the above page @ www.adkins.ws/individual.php?pid=I007
... and click on the 'Historical Facts' immediately under 'Facts and Events' to see the several 'world events.'

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6 years 3 months ago #19 by norwegian_sardines
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I personally like to use custom FACT tags for his information rather than text in a comment. Comments are not always printed in reports, when you share GEDCOM to other programs.

The correct way to implement a fact like holocaust is:

1 FACT
2 TYPE Holocaust

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6 years 3 months ago #20 by bertkoor
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or:
Code:
1 DEAT 2 CAUS Holocaust

Then it will show up in the search results.

You've got a slight issue with the survivors, but there you could put a note with "Holocaust" somewhere in a RESI or EMIG/IMMI fact.

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