TOPIC: Place Translation

Place Translation 3 years 11 months ago #1

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Is there any way to have a place translated? If I have entered a town, county, state, country it appears in other languages in the language entered. How do I get this translated?
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Place Translation 3 years 11 months ago #2

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Proper names of people and places don't translate well, if at all.
For an individual, you can "Add a new name."
For a place, such as Novosibirsk, Siberia, Russian Federation, you can place a 'Note' with the event such as Новосиби́рск, Росси́йская Федера́ция
To find the place name in the 'native' language, google the place name for something like en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novosibirsk
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Place Translation 3 years 11 months ago #3

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> Is there any way to have a place translated?

At the moment, this is not possible.
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Place Translation 3 years 11 months ago #4

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I agree with Thomas' use.

The GEDCOM standard does not allow for a lot of data to be captured at this time in the PLACE_STRUCTURE.

Using a subordinate NOTE tag (part of the PLACE_STRUCTURE) is a good alternative.

I generally use local current spellings for places so they can be found by modern people on a map, with notes to cover changes like: names changes, country changes, multiple names at the time of the event (a Polish name and a German name for the same city).

Unfortunately the NOTE tag can't be added using the GUI it must be added to the Event in the GUI then moved and renumbered using the RAW GEDCOM feature.
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Place Translation 3 years 11 months ago #5

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Okay. Thanks all!
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Place Translation 3 years 11 months ago #6

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You can use GOV: http://gov.genealogy.net/search/index.
I'm storing the GOV id for any place in my webtrees database. In GOV there are for many locations names in several languages available, e.g. for former german villages which are today in Poland.
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Place Translation 3 years 11 months ago #7

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Yes the GOV data can be used, I would turn their data into a "shared note", with appropriate markup and attach it to the Event.Place tag.
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Place Translation 3 years 11 months ago #8

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Sorry... could you guys elaborate o the steps to find a place on GOV website (I tried to find a couple but couldn't) and then where exactly do I add them in the GEDCOM?
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Place Translation 3 years 11 months ago #9

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One of the issue with GOV is that it is not complete for every place that I care about and much of it is only in German. Follow the link given above and enter the place name. A list will be provided with links to the exact place if the name exists multiple times. This will contain links to Wikipedia and other documentation, location information, type of place like a city, state, country, others. Names are also there.

I've not used GOV except as a secondary resource, but it can be done.

I create a "shared note" with any information about a place I need. Much of what I use comes from Wikipedia or other books about place history.

This uses standard GEDCOM rather than other non-standard concepts.

A shared note looks like this:

0 @[email protected] NOTE
1 CONT **Place name bolded**
1 CONT stuff about the place using standard markdown provided by webtrees.
1 REFN OSLSLOJO59IV (an example for Oslo Norway)
2 TYPE GOV
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Place Translation 3 years 11 months ago #10

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so what do I do if its not listed in GOV? can I add a place there somehow? If I add the GOV ID to the GEDCOM, then do I refer to them when I add a birth place or death place..etc?
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Place Translation 3 years 11 months ago #11

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Maybe a GOV expert can help with this. I create my own "Place" Information in my database relying on my own research and writing to give places a background. Many of the places in my database will probably never be in GOV since I usually go down to the street address for places like Residence or Grave Marker. I can't expect for them to have everything nor can I expect them to always be around, so I include the data about a place in my database as a Shared NOTE.
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Place Translation 3 years 11 months ago #12

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Yes, it is possible to change or add information in GOV (menu topic "Edit this item only"). But most of the information how to do this is only available in German. You need to register before editing at db.genealogy.net/anmeldung/index_en.php.

One way to store GOV links was shown by Ken already. Another way is to use the user defined GEDCOM tag "_GOV". For example to reference to Kaliningrad/Königsberg I'm using:

1 DEAT
2 DATE 1640
2 PLAC Kaliningrad, Kaliningrad, Kaliningradskaja oblast, RUS
3 _GOV KONSSEKO04GR
2 SOUR @[email protected]
3 PAGE gov.genealogy.net/item/show/KONSSEKO04GR

S821 is my source "GOV". Using PAGE with the link to GOV allows every webtrees visitor to click on this link to get more information about this place. (I know that this is not a source for the DEAT event, so maybe it is not correct GEDCOM, but it works until there is a GOV module available for webtrees; I started to program such a module two years ago, but since I had not enough time I had to stop this activity).

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Place Translation 3 years 11 months ago #13

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Is the GOV database open source? Is it possible to download the entire database? As far as I can tell, it is a privately operated service.

Is it possible to query the GOV database using an API? (i.e. can webtrees search the database automatically, or must a user search it interactively).
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Place Translation 3 years 11 months ago #14

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There is a webservice/API available: wiki-de.genealogy.net/GOV/Webservice. Using this webservice it is possible to search the GOV database using PHP/SOAP. I programmed a module similar to webtrees Google Maps module to get information from the GOV database (but I stopped it half of the way).

There is subset of the GOV database available as a copy in order to include this data for example in offline programs: wiki-de.genealogy.net/GOV/Mini-GOV. This is under the license creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/deed.en. From my point of view this subset makes no sense for webtrees.
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Place Translation 3 years 11 months ago #15

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... back to the original topic: it is not only translating a place name into different languages for e.g. to use the language of a webtrees user. It is also the problem of using the right name of a place regarding to the time of an event. Many locations have different names at different years and are belonging to different time dependent administrative structures. So I'm using in my tree for all places the place names and the hierarchical structure of today ("Kaliningrad, Kaliningrad, Kaliningradskaja oblast, RUS"), but it would be nice to show also the name "Königsberg" and the structure in the event year 1640. This is why I decided to store the GOV id to many of my places (the GOV database has more than one million objects which I can reference).
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Place Translation 3 years 11 months ago #16

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fisharebest wrote:
Is the GOV database open source? Is it possible to download the entire database? As far as I can tell, it is a privately operated service.

Is it possible to query the GOV database using an API? (i.e. can webtrees search the database automatically, or must a user search it interactively).

Hello Greg,

if you are interested in more details about GOV, see here: compgen.de/userfiles/downloads/rootstech/GOV_DEV1231.pdf

In GOV you will find more than 1 million recorded objects focused to Europe, USA and Australia. See: wiki-de.genealogy.net/GOV

GOV is not a privately operated service. It's a project of the German Computer Genealogy Society.
Contact address for GOV: gov-support (at) genealogy.net

Best regards
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