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Re: Testers wanted! 9 years 3 months ago #41

Hello Greg,
Thanks for your answer.

You'll an example for both issues on my sites (guess you'll have to be connected)
1 - Relationship: father's father's father's son's son's son's son
2 - Relationship: father's father's son's wife

and you're right, both relation have to do with half-relations.

Thanks,
André

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Re: Testers wanted! 9 years 3 months ago #42

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I think the following 12 french translations need to be updated

translations.launchpad.net/webtrees/trun...all&search=%27s+%25s

They should be consistent with these ones

translations.launchpad.net/webtrees/trun...251%24s%27s+%252%24s
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Re: Testers wanted! 9 years 3 months ago #43

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<<both relation have to do with half-relations.>>

This is the problem. We currently have very limited logic for "half" relationships. We have half-brother and half-sister, but not half-uncle, etc.
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Re: Testers wanted! 9 years 3 months ago #44

perhaps those two llinks could help ?
www.guide-genealogie.com/guide/parente.html
www.geneafrance.org/rubrique.php?page=parente
where there is some, but not much about "half'-relationships.

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Re: Testers wanted! 9 years 3 months ago #45

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We don't simply translate the relationship names.

The relationships themselves are all unique - and are translated individually.

So, "mother's brother" and "father's brother" are two separate relationhips - because they have different names in some languages.
Also, in some languages, a "woman's uncle" is different to a "man's uncle". So, "uncle" can be

a man's mother's brother
a man's father's brother
a man's parent's brother
a woman's mother's brother
a woman's father's brother
a woman's parent's brother

If we try to add half-brothers, there are *many* more combinations. There are probably languages that have different names fro a "half" relationship through a common mother and a "half" relationship through a common father.

So, the number of permutations (and hence separate translations) goes up enormously.

We can probably do more to match partial relationships, (e.g. "father's father's son's wife" could be either "father's half-brother's wife" or "grandfather's daughter-in-law") - but this is not always easy.
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Re: Testers wanted! 9 years 3 months ago #46

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:-)

I've just had a cunning idea - which I've submitted to SVN.

It now generates "optimally short" relationship names, based on the currently translatable relationships.

These complex relationships can be expressed in different ways. For example,
"father's father's son's wife", can be either "father's half-brother's wife" or "grandfather's daughter-in-law".

It will try every combination, and then choose the one with the shortest name - in the selected language.
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Re: Testers wanted! 9 years 3 months ago #47

"father's father's son's wife", can be either "father's half-brother's wife" or "grandfather's daughter-in-law"

those two expressions are meaningful to me and "father's half-brother's wife" would be the most adequate.

choose the one with the shortest name - in the selected language

do you mean shortest in number of letters or in number of steps ?
wouldn't the shortest number of steps be better .... seems languages act like that .... rather a step son than a daughter's husband ?

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Re: Testers wanted! 9 years 3 months ago #48

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I mean the shortest number of letters.

"Steps" is much harder to measure - and has many more complications.

For example, in Spanish, there is a single word for your "child's spouse's parent". This is "one step".

Similarly, there may be a relationship that has a name in French, but which does not have a name in other languages.
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