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TOPIC: [SOLVED] Set latest married name as default display name

Set latest married name as default display name 7 months 2 weeks ago #1

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I miss the ability to select which surname that should be the default used to be displayed at tree view, reports etc.

Here in my country we use latest married name as default display name.

Currently I have not been able to find a way to set it in webtrees settings so it's currently showing maiden name at reports/tree so it's a bit awkward to show to the relatives...


Example:

Webtree settings:

Surname display settings:
option 1: display maiden surname
option 2. display first married name
option 3: display last married name



A male (I use married name field for relocations here, for practical reasons):
Before marriage: Ola Nordmann
Relocated to another farm: Ola Berg
Relocated to yet another farm: Ola Dal

A female:
Before marriage: Anna Nordmann
1st marriage: Anna Berg
2nd marriage: Anna Dal

Current default family tree display Ola Nordmann and Anna Nordmann, we wish it to show Ola Dal and Anna Dal in family tree and reports.
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Set latest married name as default display name 7 months 2 weeks ago #2

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The GEDCOM standard uses the order of "facts" to indicate what item is first to be displayed.

Therefore the order of the names stored in the GEDCOM is important.

Go to the Raw Edit of GEDCOM for the individual and drag the name you want displayed above other names and save.

This will change the display name on the Individual screen.
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Set latest married name as default display name 7 months 2 weeks ago #3

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Thanks for the reply. However I'm not sure whether you did get my quesition. There are two datatypes, SURN and _MARNM.

My problem is that SURN is displayed as default, while we wish for the latest _MARNM to be displayed instead if it exist. If not, then display SURN.

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Set latest married name as default display name 7 months 2 weeks ago #4

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In genealogy, it is traditional to use the "birth" name for individuals, not their final name.

Also, GEDCOM does not allow us to store dates with names, so we cannot easily determine the "latest" name.

...we could search all family relationships, and match the (possibly inflected) surname of the spouse, and then look for family events with dates - but this would be very slow and unreliable...

> The GEDCOM standard uses the order of "facts" to indicate what item is first to be displayed.

To an extent.

We look for the first non-married name.
If this is not found, we look for the first married name.

Also, we match the script to the current language, so if an individual has names written in both latin and cyrillic, then we will show the cyrillic name on russian pages and the latin name on french/german/etc. pages.

> Here in my country we use latest married name as default display name

In which country do genealogists do this?

> it's a bit awkward to show to the relatives

Awkward how?
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Set latest married name as default display name 7 months 2 weeks ago #5

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Hi

Thank for the reply. To answer your quesitions;

i've been looking at the trees to lots of genaologists in my country, Norway and all of those are showing the last name they had before they died, not the name when they was born.

Awkward, my family members are reacting like "but that's my maiden name, why are you not using our married name?", and i was not sure about how to respond to it, since I've been watching how other genaologists in my country are displaying their trees / generated reports with the latest _MARNM as surname

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Set latest married name as default display name 7 months 2 weeks ago #6

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Here in my country we use latest married name as default display name.

I do not agree. This is not custom in Norway, though you may find this in some trees at geni.com
Among genealogists, birth name is used to identify individuals, and is also used as "display name"

As _MARNM is not gedcom standard, and I suggest you use


1 NAME Anna /Nordmann/
2 GIVN Anna
2 SURN Normann

1 NAME Anna /Berg/
2 TYPE married
2 GIVN Anna
2 SURN Berg

1 NAME Anna /Dal/
2 TYPE married
2 GIVN Anna
2 SURN Dal

You may of course change the order, as suggested by norwegian_sardines
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Set latest married name as default display name 7 months 2 weeks ago #7

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Thank you for the info. I did not know that _MARNM was not standard. I use default webtrees settings. Oh well, a big job incoming, replacing all _MARNM with SURN in gedcom...
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Set latest married name as default display name 7 months 2 weeks ago #8

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Since individuals in Norway did not always have surnames before 1924 the order of any individual is by order of GEDCOM fact. Married or otherwise.

I do not enter a surname for individuals unless the name was either a true family name or they officially took a name after 1924. (In this case I do follow the rule of maiden name first). I forgot about Greg's code

Are the people you are sighting in Norway professional Genealogists or family historians? I have not heard of a standard like that in genealogy in Norway.
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[SOLVED] Set latest married name as default display name 7 months 2 weeks ago #9

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Problem solved.
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[SOLVED] Set latest married name as default display name 7 months 2 weeks ago #10

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> I did not know that _MARNM was not standard. I use default webtrees settings. Oh well, a big job incoming, replacing all _MARNM with SURN in gedcom...

webtrees uses the _MARNM tag because it was used by several popular desktop genealogy programs.

These programs only supported one name, so they added _MARNM as a "sub-names". e.g.

1 NAME Jane /White/
2 _MARNM Jane /Black/
2 _MARNM Jane /Green/

This is the default structure used by webtrees. Note that the married names always come after the other name. So, it is impossible to sort them first.

The "correct" structure (which is also supported) is

1 NAME Jane /White/
1 NAME Jane /Black/
2 TYPE married
1 NAME Jane /Green/
2 TYPE married

At some point in the future, webtrees will convert between the formats. There is an open issue for this on the tracker.
github.com/fisharebest/webtrees/issues/794
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