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1 year 11 months ago - 1 year 11 months ago #1 by olor
There are twelve zodiac signs in China and twelve constellations in the West. Can we add them in the future version of webrees?
Chinese zodiac: the rat, cow, tiger, rabbit, dragon, snake, horse, sheep, monkey, chicken, dog and pig are reincarnated every 12 years. Everyone has a sign. For example, the person born in 1984 is a rat and the person born in 1985 is a cow.
If a person is unwilling to disclose his birthday, he can tell others his zodiac. Chinese people are sometimes very reserved.
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1 year 11 months ago #2 by norwegian_sardines
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How would you see them used in webtrees? Where would you add them?

If you knew the year of a person’s birth, only add the year to the BIRTh fact. If you wanted to add the zodiac sign for their birth year this could be added using a birth note (BIRT.NOTE GEDCOM tag).

If the individual did not want to disclose their birth year, just their zodiac sign, you could still enter the sign as a BIRT.NOTE (a birth note).

Do you have other thoughts about where to add this information in webtrees?

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1 year 11 months ago - 1 year 11 months ago #3 by olor
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In the age field of the individual with privacy protection, a small zodiac animal icon is displayed:)
Maybe it's not a good idea. But there are still many scenes in reality. Some people are embarrassed to directly ask someone else's age and will ask: what is your zodiac?
In the statistical table, you can also count the number of people in each zodiac, or who are in a zodiac.
Of course, only to the year, you can get the zodiac.
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1 year 11 months ago #4 by norwegian_sardines
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The display concept is interesting, but if you don’t enter a birth year then what GEDCOM data element would be used to trigger the display?

Each data element in the GEDCOM Standard has expected data values assigned to them.

Therefore you have two choices:

1). Introduce a non-standard GEDCOM tag (data element)
2). Use the GEDCOM FACT tag as a custom data element.

For number “2” I would create something like,

1 FACT rat
2 TYPE zodiac sign

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1 year 11 months ago - 1 year 11 months ago #5 by olor
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Thank you very much for your answer. The zodiac is not actually necessary. What I have been trying to solve since I installed webtrees is a problem about WORD of generation. The root problem is somewhat similar. The difference is that it is an attribute on the name of the same generation. In Chinese, it is called "generation", and there is the same word in the names of the same generation. In a family, from ancestors to future generations, each generation has one word, forming a generation poem.
In modern times, the word does not necessarily appear in a name, but it is still synonymous with someone's generation in the family.
In many Genealogy software in China, this generation poem will be set first. Once a person's generation is determined, when adding his children or parents, the generation of his children or parents will be determined automatically. For example, my grandfather's generation is "Wen", my father's generation is "Pi", and our generation is "Xi".


Can I use the "FACT" tag for this generation?
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1 year 11 months ago #6 by hermann
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Yes, in the same way Ken has shown:
Code:
1 FACT Wen 2 TYPE generation name

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1 year 11 months ago #7 by olor
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I see. This tag solves the storage problem of "generation name". Is it necessary to use custom modules to realize input and output?

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1 year 11 months ago - 1 year 11 months ago #8 by norwegian_sardines
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To add the FACT tag just add it like any other fact/event. Scroll down on the “fact or event”, find Fact and use the add button.

I would use this concept if I entered the Christian “Name Day” tradition.

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1 year 11 months ago #9 by olor
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Thank you very much. Although it is a little troublesome to enter a name feature in this way, it is also a solution. thank you!

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1 year 11 months ago - 1 year 11 months ago #10 by norwegian_sardines
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If you want to keep the “generation name” with the NAME tag you could do this:

1 NAME /surname/ given
2 SURN surname
2 GIVN given
2 NOTE Generation Name: Wen

It would display:

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1 year 11 months ago #11 by olor
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Yes, I want to save and display it like this.
But how can I easily and quickly enter this generation name for everyone?

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1 year 11 months ago - 1 year 11 months ago #12 by norwegian_sardines
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Edit their name and add a note in the note field. You would not need to use GEDCOM, I’m just used to adding things via GEDCOM, for me it is faster, but you can use the name edit screen!


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1 year 11 months ago #13 by olor
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I wonder if I can include all types of generation names in a source file, and then directly select a generation name for a person in the input interface.

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1 year 11 months ago - 1 year 11 months ago #14 by norwegian_sardines
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Yes, you could add a “shared note” for each generation name and reuse it over and over.

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1 year 11 months ago #15 by norwegian_sardines
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Please understand that you would need to add a “shared note” for each “generation name” and select the appropriate shared note.

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1 year 11 months ago #16 by olor
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There is another way. Chinese people generally don't have a Roman name. Can I agree this Roman name as a generation name?
Code:
1 NAME /chen/de heng 2 GIVN de heng 2 SURN chen 2 NOTE generation name:de 2 ROMN /de/

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1 year 11 months ago #17 by olor
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Please understand that you would need to add a “shared note” for each “generation name” and select the appropriate shared note.

If a family has 20 generations, do you shared note 20 times, and then each generation chooses one of them?

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1 year 11 months ago - 1 year 11 months ago #18 by bertkoor
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There is another way. Chinese people generally don't have a Roman name. Can I agree this Roman name as a generation name?
Code:
1 NAME /chen/de heng 2 GIVN de heng 2 SURN chen 2 NOTE generation name:de 2 ROMN /de/

I'd advice against repurposing fields in this way.

If you want it under a tag, maybe use the surname prefix or suffix and change the translation of that with a custom module. It will be cumbersome for data entry.
Code:
1 NAME /chen de/ heng 2 GIVN heng 2 SURN chen 2 NSFX de


I imagine that a chinese visitor immediately recognises the generation part from the full name. So that is not the core problem that needs solving.

What exactly is the core problem that needs solving? I understood so far a report of people that have the same generation name would be nice. In traditional format: even better.

I think data storage is only part of the problem. It's also what then to do with it.

webtrees does not excel at reports. It's good for data entry and simple web page presentation of individuals and families where core data is represented in GEDCOM format.

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1 year 11 months ago #19 by olor
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Yes, I want the same generation to have a common feature, which is convenient for later statistics and search. This is the purpose. In the past, the characteristics of people's names were very obvious, basically including generation names. But now people choose names more casually and dilute the name of this generation, but they need to be summarized into one generation.

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1 year 11 months ago #20 by norwegian_sardines
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It is rather hard to advise you on this subject because:

A) I’m not familiar with the concept of “generation name” and how it apples to names as a whole
B) GEDCOM does not support perfectly any non-western name concepts
C) Any standard report, now or in the future, may not work correctly

All I can say is that you would need to experiment a little within the confines of the webtrees interface.

You may be able to use the surname indexing feature of webtrees to create a “Wen” entry in the surname list that will list all individuals that index to Wen (and any other generation name) but that would not be automatic so your data entry people may not add it correctly.

Ultimately, you will have to better define what you want to happen with standard webtrees and GEDCOM or develope a add-on that supports your needs outside of The Standard, and maintain that code over time.

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