Loved There are twelve zodiac signs in China
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Chinese zodiac: the rat, cow, tiger, rabbit, dragon, snake, horse, sheep, monkey, chicken, dog and pig are reincarnated every 12 years. Everyone has a sign. For example, the person born in 1984 is a rat and the person born in 1985 is a cow.
If a person is unwilling to disclose his birthday, he can tell others his zodiac. Chinese people are sometimes very reserved.
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If you knew the year of a person’s birth, only add the year to the BIRTh fact. If you wanted to add the zodiac sign for their birth year this could be added using a birth note (BIRT.NOTE GEDCOM tag).
If the individual did not want to disclose their birth year, just their zodiac sign, you could still enter the sign as a BIRT.NOTE (a birth note).
Do you have other thoughts about where to add this information in webtrees?
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Maybe it's not a good idea. But there are still many scenes in reality. Some people are embarrassed to directly ask someone else's age and will ask: what is your zodiac?
In the statistical table, you can also count the number of people in each zodiac, or who are in a zodiac.
Of course, only to the year, you can get the zodiac.
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Each data element in the GEDCOM Standard has expected data values assigned to them.
Therefore you have two choices:
1). Introduce a non-standard GEDCOM tag (data element)
2). Use the GEDCOM FACT tag as a custom data element.
For number “2” I would create something like,
1 FACT rat
2 TYPE zodiac sign
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In modern times, the word does not necessarily appear in a name, but it is still synonymous with someone's generation in the family.
In many Genealogy software in China, this generation poem will be set first. Once a person's generation is determined, when adding his children or parents, the generation of his children or parents will be determined automatically. For example, my grandfather's generation is "Wen", my father's generation is "Pi", and our generation is "Xi".
Can I use the "FACT" tag for this generation?
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I would use this concept if I entered the Christian “Name Day” tradition.
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1 NAME /surname/ given
2 SURN surname
2 GIVN given
2 NOTE Generation Name: Wen
It would display:
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But how can I easily and quickly enter this generation name for everyone?
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Please understand that you would need to add a “shared note” for each “generation name” and select the appropriate shared note.
If a family has 20 generations, do you shared note 20 times, and then each generation chooses one of them?
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There is another way. Chinese people generally don't have a Roman name. Can I agree this Roman name as a generation name?
Code:1 NAME /chen/de heng 2 GIVN de heng 2 SURN chen 2 NOTE generation name:de 2 ROMN /de/
I'd advice against repurposing fields in this way.
If you want it under a tag, maybe use the surname prefix or suffix and change the translation of that with a custom module. It will be cumbersome for data entry.
I imagine that a chinese visitor immediately recognises the generation part from the full name. So that is not the core problem that needs solving.
What exactly is the core problem that needs solving? I understood so far a report of people that have the same generation name would be nice. In traditional format: even better.
I think data storage is only part of the problem. It's also what then to do with it.
webtrees does not excel at reports. It's good for data entry and simple web page presentation of individuals and families where core data is represented in GEDCOM format.
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A) I’m not familiar with the concept of “generation name” and how it apples to names as a whole
GEDCOM does not support perfectly any non-western name concepts
C) Any standard report, now or in the future, may not work correctly
All I can say is that you would need to experiment a little within the confines of the webtrees interface.
You may be able to use the surname indexing feature of webtrees to create a “Wen” entry in the surname list that will list all individuals that index to Wen (and any other generation name) but that would not be automatic so your data entry people may not add it correctly.
Ultimately, you will have to better define what you want to happen with standard webtrees and GEDCOM or develope a add-on that supports your needs outside of The Standard, and maintain that code over time.
Ken
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