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Suggestion for presentation of names 2 days 21 hours ago #1

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All persons that are registered are presented with the first name found in their gedcom record. In this way all (female) persons presented with their surname at birth (if the order is not changed manually). My wife, sister-in-laws, mother, aunts, grandmothers and more are shown with "odd" names that have not been used for many years. It seems that this is common for genealogists but this is a hobby for me and and I want to be able to present my findings to my relatives in a easily understandable way.

There is a choice in the settings page where one can select surname tradition. I have chosen "paternal — Children take their father’s surname. Wives take their husband’s surname.". However, the wives are shown with their name at birth.

Suggestion: add a possibility to select which name to use. It gets a bit complicated after divorces and name changes but the last registered name should be a good choice. I have changed the function getPrimaryName to do exactly that. The patch that is given does not handle an issue in the original file that mentions different character sets.
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Suggestion for presentation of names 2 days 20 hours ago #2

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All persons can have multiple names. Each name can have a type, eg "birth" or "married".

You can change the order of the names manually. The name at the top should be used by webtrees for general display purposes.

In short, I think what you want is already possible, perhaps with some manual interventions.
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Suggestion for presentation of names 2 days 17 hours ago #3

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Suggestion: add a possibility to select which name to use. It gets a bit complicated after divorces and name changes but the last registered name should be a good choice. I have changed the function getPrimaryName to do exactly that. The patch that is given does not handle an issue in the original file that mentions different character sets.

I agree with Bertkoor -- just use "Re-order Names" under the blue Edit button to put your preferred name first.

I also use the paternal surname tradition, but there are still too many edge cases to expect a small software patch to "do the right thing." In particular, in my tree I rarely know the "registration dates" for name changes. In previous generations, a woman would take her husband's surname when she married. More recently, however, she may not change her surname, or perhaps wait until the couple has children. More importantly, the situation with divorces has no discernible pattern: sometimes the woman keeps her married name, sometimes she reverts to her maiden name, and (surprisingly often) she reverts to the surname from a previous marriage if the new one broke down quickly.

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Suggestion for presentation of names 2 days 5 hours ago #4

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Ich persönlich unterstütze den Vorschlag eine globale Einstellungsmöglichkeit zu schaffen den zuletzt eingegebenen Namen zur allgemeinen Anzeige zu verwenden.
Dadurch muss nicht nach jeder neuen Namenseingabe die Reihenfolge geändert werden.

I personally support the suggestion to create a global option to use the last entered name for the general display.
This means that the order does not have to be changed after each new name entry.

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Suggestion for presentation of names 2 days 2 hours ago #5

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The only constant in a person's life is their birth name. Therefore, the birth name should always have the highest priority. Everything else should be accessible only if necessary through optional setting options.
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Suggestion for presentation of names 2 days 1 hour ago #6

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Regardless of your take on what name to display or consider “primary” (as a genealogist I think birth name is appropriate), the GEDCOM Standard says that where duplicate tags in the same context are present, the first tag is to be considered primary or the most correct. Therefore in all cases the first name in the GEDCOM file for an individual will be used as the primary (display) name. Changing that rule with a parameter would violate the GEDCOM Standard.

Please reorder the NAME tags to suite your desired outcome rather than adding the parameter!
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Suggestion for presentation of names 1 day 21 hours ago #7

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The reason for me to raise this issue is (1) that I want to be able to present my findings to my living relatives in a "natural" way, and (2) to simplify additions to the family tree.

(1) I want to follow the standard and therefore I want to keep the order of name tags with birth name first and then successively add more name tags for marriages, divorces and name changes. It is quite natural that they are added chronologically. But for the presentation I want an option to select the last name tag as display name. Most people know my mother as Ragnhild Torstendahl.

(2) The suggestion to reorder names manually is not feasible. My tree has 451 name tags with TYPE MARRIED. Firstly, it is a huge job, and secondly, I also think it violates the standard. And when I add a wife to someone the record will get the name tags in "wrong" order so it would be necessary to remember to reorder the names afterwards. Definitely not an option.

My conclusion is that I will continue to patch the function getPrimaryName! Maybe I will try to add a possibility as a setting to select which name to present, the first or last name.

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Suggestion for presentation of names 1 day 21 hours ago #8

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"... the first tag is to be considered primary or the most correct."
I tried to read the gedcom spec but i did not find that statement. What about RESI and OCCU. If someone has lived at several locations, is the first one really most correct? Or the occupation?

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Suggestion for presentation of names 1 day 21 hours ago #9

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GEDCOM 5.5.1 states:

The occurrence of equal level numbers and equal tags within the same context imply that multiple opinions or multiple values of the data exist. The significance of the order in these cases is interpreted as the submitter's preference. The most preferred value being the first with the least preferred data listed in subsequent lines by order of decreasing preference. For example, a researcher who discovers conflicting evidence about a person's birth event would list the most credible information first and the least credible or least preferred items last..

Therefore the first NAME would represent the “most preferred”.

What about RESI and OCCU. If someone has lived at several locations, is the first one really most correct? Or the occupation?

Maybe my word “correct” in this context could also be “most preferred” or “best match” or as stated “primary”!

I held a lot of positions in my life, rock band road manager, librarian, architect, video production manager, database designer, application developer. Some for only a few years, others a lot longer, but I was a traveling consultant designing application systems for more than 25 years. This would be the “most correct/credible”, ”most preferred”. I’m currently on the Board of Director's for a museum, but that is not the Occupation I would want to report.

Same could be said about the more than a dozen places I’ve lived, my home town is still the place I grew up.

This being said, depending on how you are reporting your family information, you can always use the NAME.TYPE information to drive the selection of Married Name, rather than Birth Name. In GEDCOM 7.1 we are hoping to add a NAME.DATE just like other facts and you can select the most recent fact or name by date rather than order!

Also, at some time in the future my hope is that webtrees development has time to upgrade the reporting code to better select data into reports.
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Suggestion for presentation of names 1 day 5 hours ago #10

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Also, at some time in the future my hope is that webtrees development has time to upgrade the reporting code to better select data into reports.

I assume that is true for many of us.
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