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add adoption parents 1 week 3 hours ago #1

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How do I enter the adoption parents of a person?
I think I am looking at the wrong place...

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add adoption parents 1 week 3 hours ago #2

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The child exists in the tree?

The parents exist in the tree?

From the child's page:
Families tab -> Link to an existing family as a child
Then choose "Pedigree: adopted"
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add adoption parents 1 week 2 hours ago #3

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Only the child is in the tree at this moment.

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add adoption parents 1 week 2 hours ago #4

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You can convert normal/birth parents into adopted parents using the same option.

Choose the "Link to existing family as a child", and select the existing parents.
Select "pedigree: adopted"
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add adoption parents 1 week 2 hours ago #5

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I wrote that only the child is in my tree. At this moment there isn't an existing family as adoption parents.

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add adoption parents 1 week 2 hours ago #6

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Create them as usual parents, then remove the child and add it again giving it the proper pedigree.
Or edit the raw gedcom of the link from child to family:
1 FAMC @F123@
2 PEDI adopted
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add adoption parents 1 week 43 minutes ago #7

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The person already have a biological mother. How do I create parents (which I have to change to adopting parents)? The adopting father nor the adopting mother are in my tree.
I am searching for a link containing "Link this individual to a new family as a child".

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add adoption parents 6 days 21 hours ago #8

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It might be easiest to create the new family first.
Use the control panel to add a new/unlinked person (e.g. the father).
Then add a wife to the father.
Then link the child to this new family.
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add adoption parents 6 days 21 hours ago #9

Your exact situation is difficult to follow. Let me assume that you currently have person A linked to mother B as a biological child, and you want to add A's adoptive parents C and D as new individuals to your tree. Is that correct?

The easiest way is to create a new family that contains one of the adoptive parents and one existing individual -- it doesn't matter who because we will later apply "Change Family Members" to put the correct people into that family. For example, let's create the new family by adding C as a new husband to the biological mother, B. Now to complete the process:
1) add A as a child with PEDI adopted
2) delete B from the mother role
3) use "Add a wife to this family" to create D

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add adoption parents 6 days 20 hours ago #10

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My problem is solved: I didn't take a look in the control panel.
Thanks for all answers and your patience.

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add adoption parents 6 days 16 hours ago #11

Greg wrote:

It might be easiest to create the new family first.
Use the control panel to add a new/unlinked person (e.g. the father).
Then add a wife to the father. Then link the child to this new family.

This advice only works if you have access to the control panel. What if the person trying to add a set of adoptive parents is just an Editor or Moderator? I don't see a clean way for someone in those roles to directly create a new/unlinked individual.

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add adoption parents 6 days 16 hours ago #12

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Well, I do have access to the control panel, but find it easier and less disrupting the flow to create an unrelated person by adding to any random existing family and directly remove the person from it.
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add adoption parents 6 days 16 hours ago #13

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We do not prevent regular users from creating a second set of parents, nor do we prevent them from creating unlinked individuals.

We simply hide the links.

This is because they can easily be used by mistake, and can cause more problems than they solve.

If there is a consensus opinion that we should make these options available, then I'd be happy to do that.

Although I don't know where we would put the "add unlinked XXX" option.
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add adoption parents 6 days 15 hours ago #14

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Why I was never in favor of regular members adding unconnected families and individuals, your thoughts may vary:

First, In family genealogy, we normally are answering the question, “where did (I/Grand Parent/person “A”) come from? To answer that question, the general flow of data entry for genealogy, is to start with that given person and work paths away from them. In general you can’t answer that question by just adding unconnected people.

Second, The vast majority of people out there have only one set of parents. Even when we speak not as genealogists but as family historians, the norm is to have one set of parents. For instances were this is not the case, having the admin create the unlinked person is not a hassle. This admin check is similar to asking that all entries be authorized and excepted by a “higher power”.

Third, In the past I have seen cases where data entry people get themselves in trouble adding unconnected people and we get issues of being able to search for someone and either finding duplicates, adding data to the wrong person, or creating unconnected “islands” of people. I’ve seen this in other programs and for a while with webtrees because the ability to add unconnected individuals was given to non-admins.

Why it could be good to have the ability to add unconnected individuals and families.

If your tree has a small group of data entry people, and they really understand how the data is connected then their is little harm in more of them having this ability. For a very few number of instances such as “Surname studies” and “Location studies” a larger group of data entry people could have the ability to add “unconnected” individuals. Maybe “Moderators” should have access to a page similar to the console that contains only these options. This page would granted to them by the admin for cases as noted above.
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add adoption parents 6 days 6 hours ago #15

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A totally other thing to consider: setting parent-child relations in families other than natural birth is quite cumbersome in webtrees. It works one way only: in the opposite direction of how I usually do it (in the family: change members) and you get one chance only. Other than raw edit there's no dialog to change it afterwards. It gives me headaches every time I have to set foster or adoptive parents.
Maybe now I finally imprinted the procedure (from the child: add to family)
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