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3 years 8 months ago #1 by mariannevanharten
pending changes and import gedcom was created by mariannevanharten
Case:
I create a gedcom at 1:00 pm and modified some things.
Another user modifies some data on the website at 2:00 pm. This user is has the role 'Editor' and I should approve all modifications
I upload the modified gedcom at 3:00 pm.
I approve the modification of the other user at 4:00 pm.
My modifications and the modifications of the other user doesn't conflict!

Will this work well??

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3 years 8 months ago #2 by bertkoor
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No. Upload means a total rewrite of all the data in the tree. The pending changes will disappear.

If the upload is only to add persons, you can upload just the new persons & families into a second tree and then merge them.

Told you so, having another program to edit data is not making it easier.

NB: do you trust the other program to write the data again without changing it? Have you tested that?

stamboom.BertKoor.nl runs on webtrees v1.7.13

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3 years 8 months ago #3 by mariannevanharten
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I am using my other program I think about 20 years.
The program imports a gedcom into an Excel sheet. You can copy, move and delete texts and codes (also using temporarily columns and rows). After that you can write a new gedcom.

Because my modifications are too complicated to do it in webtrees, I do it in GedTool. First I exported my webtrees to gedcom. But underwhile one of the users of my tree is also editing the data (for a different branch of the family), so these data will not conflict. But when uploading and pending changes will conflict, I stop editing using GedTool for this moment.

Thanks!

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3 years 8 months ago #4 by fisharebest
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> Because my modifications are too complicated to do it in webtrees

Out of interest,...

What sorts of modifications are you making?

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3 years 8 months ago #5 by mariannevanharten
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fisharebest wrote: > What sorts of modifications are you making?


I have several notes at the occupation of the individual.
In webtrees I saw the entry boxes employer, place and address and looked in the raw gedcom.
Now I want to extract some details about employer, place and address and put them into their separate fields. Using GedTool it's easier than using the web interface.

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3 years 8 months ago - 3 years 8 months ago #6 by norwegian_sardines
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I’m not sure what you mean by:

Now I want to extract some details about employer, place and address and put them into their separate fields


What detail do you want to add? What GEDCOM tags are you using to add this data?

Ken
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3 years 8 months ago #7 by mariannevanharten
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Ken,

My original gedcom:
1 OCCU farmer
2 NOTE owner of a small firm <name> at <address>. Was also employed as ...

should be changed to:
1 OCCU farmer
2 AGNC <firm name>
2 ADDR <address>

GedTool is an Excel sheet which has rows per individual and columns per gedcom tag (and tabs per category (INDI, FAM, NOTE, SOUR, SUBM and OBJE). I move parts of the text from the NOTE column and paste it into the destination column.

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3 years 8 months ago - 3 years 8 months ago #8 by bertkoor
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I'd just click on the pencil icon of the Occupation fact in webtrees and cut/paste parts of the inline note to individual fields of the form. It's all on the same page in this case. And when it's not, then I open two tabs in the browser.

I'm quite sure that takes less clicks, less time (not waiting for export - import & import-export) and is less prone to errors.

stamboom.BertKoor.nl runs on webtrees v1.7.13
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3 years 8 months ago #9 by norwegian_sardines
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Guido,

First, Let me commend you on your use of GEDCOM and some little used tags in the standard. One of my long standing frustrations with all genealogical programs is that these tags are rarely exposed for use or are not able to be used at all.

Second, I'll be writing some things below that are for general education when others look at this thread down the road, because I think you may know them already!

Third, I believe that in a future release of webtrees these tags will be better managed.

So let's get to my thoughts:

You are using these tags correctly and I very often use them this way myself.

I find that it is very quick for myself to add this information with a quick copy/paste to the raw GEDCOM rather than exporting and importing the entire GEDCOM, even on my very fast local server. Yes, I understand that writing in the editor and creating GEDCOM can be a little trying for those that do not understand GEDCOM well and getting it wrong can be a hassle!

I also for mapping purposes actually use the PLAC tag to include the farm name and enter coordinates in the Map "Geographic data". For Example:
1 BIRT
2 DATE ...
2 PLAC Brufloten (Bruflot) Farm, Naustdal, Sogn og Fjordane, Norway

for an employer you could enter:
2 PLAC {employer name}, Naustdal, Sogn og Fjordane, Norway

I can do the same for addresses of important places like RESI if I want to map them.

However, I do agree that at this point to add AGNC ("Agency") data (ADDRess is already enterable on the page) to an event/fact you must use RAW GEDCOM which is not simple for the uneducated and impossible for anyone without the proper authority. However... for now I would still use RAW GEDCOM rather than exporting/importing to add this data for one new update, because I think that is much slower of a process.

As Far As I Know ("AFAIK") Greg is close to a solution to the missing GEDCOM tags from the 5.5.1 standard, we have talked about it a little in other threads. With this in mind and as an alternative to using RAW GEDCOM I'd wait a while for this change to to live to make some of these changes.

Ken

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3 years 8 months ago #10 by fisharebest
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> However, I do agree that at this point to add AGNC ("Agency") data (ADDRess is already enterable on the page) to an event/fact you must use RAW GEDCOM

It it not necessary to edit raw GEDCOM here.

If you add or edit an OCCU / RETI / ORDN / EDUC / GRAD fact, there is a AGNC subtag!

For OCCU/RETI, it is labelled "Employer"
For EDUC/GRAD, it is labelled "School or college"
For ORDN, it is labelled "Religious institution"

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3 years 8 months ago #11 by norwegian_sardines
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My bad!! Is that new for 2.x webtrees, I don't remember being able to enter that before?

Ken

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3 years 8 months ago #12 by fisharebest
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I'm sure it was there in 1.7 as well ;-)

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3 years 8 months ago #13 by Peter_S
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bertkoor wrote: NB: do you trust the other program to write the data again without changing it? Have you tested that?

Hi bertkoor,

be sure, GedTool is able to do so.

Best regards
Peter (author of GedTool) :-)

Peter

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