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Question According to statitics: Oldest mother is an man

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2 years 10 months ago #1 by jvdmeer
I don't when it first occured, but today I saw an discrepancy.

On the statistics-chart:
familie.vd-meer.net/index.php?route=/mod...s_chart/Chart/vdmeer

on the tab "Gezinnen", there is an header with "Leeftijd bij geboorte van kind" or "Age at birth of child"

The oldest father and the oldest mother are the same person:

Abraham Kruit
Geboren 25 januari 1741 25 29 — Alblasserdam, Zuid-Holland
Overleden 22 december 1813 (leeftijd 72 jaar) — Kethel, Zuid-Holland

it was wrong in 2.0.15 and after thje upgrade just a moment ago, it's still wrong. What can I do/check?

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2 years 10 months ago - 2 years 10 months ago #2 by bertkoor
Perhaps the data is just wrong.

If I recall correctly in the raw gedcom of a family there are tags HUSB and WIFE. If this man is linked as WIFE that would be the explanation.

So visit his three or four families and inspect the raw gedcom (via the Edit menu)

Another hint, the stats says 69 years old. Since he died in 1812, I think it is in a family with a child born around 1809. You can delete that family, that should fix it. Check the stats and reconstruct it (add wife from existing person, then change members to add children again)

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2 years 10 months ago - 2 years 10 months ago #3 by jvdmeer
I checked al the families with him in it and they alhave a nive HUSB and WIFE record.
For example the families:

0 @F30@ FAM
1 HUSB @I79@
1 WIFE @I80@
1 CHIL @I50@
1 CHIL @I898@
1 CHIL @I899@

0 @F1174@ FAM
1 HUSB @I79@
1 WIFE @I4322@

0 @F1175@ FAM
1 HUSB @I79@
1 WIFE @I4323@

@I179@ is Abraham Kruit and is in all three families mentioned as HUSB.

Only one family has children, so that is the only one that make sense.


The strangest thing is that the same record is mentioned as
"Oudste vader":
Oudste vader - 69 jaar
Abraham Kruit
Geboren 25 januari 1741 25 29 — Alblasserdam, Zuid-Holland
Overleden 22 december 1813 (leeftijd 72 jaar) — Kethel, Zuid-Holland

and as "Oldest mother":
Abraham Kruit
Geboren 25 januari 1741 25 29 — Alblasserdam, Zuid-Holland
Overleden 22 december 1813 (leeftijd 72 jaar) — Kethel, Zuid-Holland

Oldest father I understand, He was born in 1741 and the latest child he got was in 1810 (69 years).

But the oldest mother of 63 is weird. He is still born in 1741 and that implies there is a child in 1804 (63 years). But the child in 1810 should be winning just as the "Oldest father"
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2 years 10 months ago - 2 years 10 months ago #4 by bertkoor
So the raw data is definitely correct (now, no idea how it was in the past) and just the statistics are wrong.

If you just want it fixed, one of the easiest and fool-proof ways is to export a GEDCOM file from this tree and import that again.
That will rebuild all indexes, derived data and statistics.

Also, if then the statistics are still wrong, there is a GEDCOM file for the development team to reproduce the error.
Because glitches like this are very hard to reproduce.

stamboom.BertKoor.nl runs on webtrees v1.7.13
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2 years 10 months ago #5 by jvdmeer
Exporting the gedcom and reimporting in an test-tree didn't work unfortunately.

So, I made an gedcom with privacy settings applied and imported that one.too. And the problem still exists.

The second test-tree is available at
familie.vd-meer.net/index.php?route=/mod...cs_chart/Chart/test2

I included this second gedcom (with privacy settings aplied) as attachment

Strange thing (maybe an seperate problem I haven't checked for in the forum), is that the start-page of this site isn't working:
The second test-tree is available at
familie.vd-meer.net/index.php?route=/tree/test2
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2 years 10 months ago #6 by bertkoor
Thanks for that.
I've reported this as a bug on the GitHub issue tracker:
github.com/fisharebest/webtrees/issues/3885

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2 years 10 months ago #7 by fisharebest
Replied by fisharebest on topic According to statitics: Oldest mother is an man
See github.com/fisharebest/webtrees/issues/3885


> I checked al the families with him in it and they alhave a nive HUSB and WIFE record.

You missed one. Family F1586 lists him as "WIFE"

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2 years 10 months ago - 2 years 10 months ago #8 by jvdmeer
Thanks, I've edited it in the webtrees-version. Now, I have to explain someone to edit it in the source tree that I import every week.

I also see why I missed it.

One-parent-families aren't listed in the family-view and not listed in the family navigator.

Maybe that's a bug/featurerequest
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2 years 10 months ago #9 by fisharebest
Replied by fisharebest on topic According to statitics: Oldest mother is an man
In GEDCOM, you must have links between families and individuals in both directions.

You have a link from F1586 to I79.

But you do not have a link in the reverse direction.

This is why it is missing in the family-navigator.

In the control panel, there is a "check for errors" link which will help you find these.

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2 years 10 months ago #10 by jvdmeer
The source is an export from "My Family Tree". That software-package doesn't generate these reverse links.

Is there a quick "Resolve errors"-option, within webtrees?

Or should I have the other, to contact the makers of "My Family Tree"

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2 years 10 months ago #11 by fisharebest
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> That software-package doesn't generate these reverse links.

It generates most of them.

For example, the record for I79 includes:

1 FAMS @F30@
1 FAMS @F1174@
1 FAMS @F1175@

It is just missing the one for @F1586@.

If the exact GEDCOM file that was exported from "My Family Tree" is like this, then it would likely be a bug in that software.

> Is there a quick "Resolve errors"-option, within webtrees?

How many of these errors do you have?

Since you'll need to review each one, it may be quicker/easier to fix them by hand.

Remember, that the "unmatched link" might be wrong - rather than the reverse link being missing.

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2 years 10 months ago #12 by jvdmeer
I got a new version where the problem with Abraham as mother is resolved.

And it gives me 258 errors. All missing reverse links.

Looks like:
FAM F1579 heeft een HUSB koppeling naar I89. I89 heeft geen koppeling terug naar F1579.
FAM F1580 heeft een HUSB koppeling naar I54. I54 heeft geen koppeling terug naar F1580.
FAM F1581 heeft een WIFE koppeling naar I84. I84 heeft geen koppeling terug naar F1581.
etc...

Will notify the other one, so he may inform "My Family Tree"

For now, thanks in resolving this problem.

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