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Show source media 1 week 5 days ago #1

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I am having some trouble with image media attached to sources. On the person pages the sources are shown in the events list. They each have a dropdown icon. Most sources have image media attached to them. For some reason these images are sometimes shown below the source (and can be hidden with the dropdown icon), but most of the time they are missing. Even the same source seems to show the images rarely, but most of the time they are missing. What could be the reason for this?

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Show source media 1 week 4 days ago #2

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I think the problem is when Media objects are attached to the source instead of to the event. Is there a way to make media attached to the source also show in person pages?

Edit: There is something weird going on. When I view a source that has a media object. The media object is shown in the Details tab of the source, but the Media tab of the source is empty.

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Show source media 1 week 4 days ago #3

You can put the media in both levels, including duplicate then. I prefer to put images of texts in the source media image and other images in event media.
Other option is to expand automatically sources, then media is showed too, of course when they are in media source.

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Show source media 1 week 4 days ago #4

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The media is not shown when I expand the source on a person page, I can only see it when I open the source page.

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Show source media 1 week 4 days ago #5

Maybe some restriction, this feature works fine for me. You should see something like this:
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Show source media 1 week 4 days ago #6

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Daomenis said:

The media is not shown when I expand the source on a person page, I can only see it when I open the source page.



In GEDCOM sourcing is done using two distinct levels of information.
  1. Fact Source_Citation
  2. Source_Record

The Fact Source_Citation is used for specific information about the source as it relates to the fact being cited.
The Source_Record is used for general information about the source.

When storing images for a source you can place them in two locations, Source_Citation and/or Source_Record.

Lets take a specific example. A National Census.
  • Information and images about the National Census: Title, Cover Image, are attached to the Source_Record. This information and images are specific to the Source not to the Citation of a fact and displayed with the Source..
  • Information and images about the specific fact located within the Source: Page Image of the fact being cited should be attached to the Fact Source_Citation and will be display with the fact they are citing.

In many application they allow you to use one of two types of source recording: Lumping or Splitting.

These are defined as:
  • Lumping: There are few Source_Records with many Source_Citations per record. For instance, "Ohio Death Certificate Index, 1908-1953" would be a Source_Record. Each individual's death certificate would be it's own Source_Citation within that Source_Record.
  • Splitting: Each document is a new Source_Record. "Death Certificate of Lee Doyle," "Obituary of Henry C. Meinzen," and "Will of Elizabeth Armitage Meinzen" have their own entries as Source_Record.

GEDCOM was designed and defined as a Lumping environment and webtrees continues this design by only providing citation images and information as part of the fact. If you want to know more about the Source_Record such as the Title, Author, Publisher, Repository, etc you would navigate to the Source_Record. Therefore, any images associated with the Source_Record are displayed when viewing the record, while images associated with the Citation (as part of the Fact) are displayed when viewing the fact.
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Show source media 1 week 4 days ago #7

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@Benazzi When you click on that source title, do you see that image in the Details tab?

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Show source media 1 week 4 days ago #8

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@norwegian_sardines Ok, I think I understand. What I have for example is a person page with a birth date. This birth date has a source attached called Birth Certificate with certificate index number etc. and with a image scan of the certificate attached to this source. It seems Benazzi did the same in his example. Yet for him the image shows on the person page as seen in his screenshot. What could be the difference between how to set this up, because my dropdowns are empty.

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Show source media 1 week 4 days ago #9

@Daomenis
I see only details of the source. The image is under source registry that is under event. The raw GEDCOM of this is
1 CHR
2 DATE 31 JAN 1757
2 PLAC Lorca, Murcia, España
2 SOUR @S244@
3 PAGE Folio 120, numero 460
3 DATA
4 DATE 31 JAN 1757
3 OBJE @M982@
3 QUAY 3
2 _GODP Antonio Reverte y Lorenza Molina

Look that the source is only a reference and the object is under the source (2 SOUR and 3 OBJE).
If you want to see the image under the event, it will be a 2 OBJE maybe after 2 PLAC.
This is like you must see when editing:
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If your dropdown is not showing the image then you did not add the image to the Fact Source_Citation. You probably added it to the Source_Record!
Ken

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Show source media 1 week 4 days ago #11

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Your GEDCOM should look like this for a Birth:

1 BIRT
2 DATE ...
2 PLAC ...
2 SOUR @S_437854560@
3 PAGE Image 318 of Microfilm
3 OBJE @X534@
3 NOTE ...

The 3 OBJE would be the connection to the image. The 2 SOUR starts the FACT Source_Citation and ends after the 3 NOTE.
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A Source_Record would look like this:

0 @S_437854560@ SOUR
1 TITL ...
1 AUTH ...
1 OBJE @X536@
1 REPO ...

The 1 OBJE points at the Source_Record image which not displayed on the Individual Fact page.
Ken

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Show source media 1 week 4 days ago #13

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Ah yes, now I understand fully. It is indeed added to the Source_Record. I guess my true question is: Is there a way to make it show up on the person page anyway? Or would I need to change the webtrees code?

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I guess my true question is: Is there a way to make it show up on the person page anyway?

Not that I know of, but I could be wrong!
Ken

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Show source media 1 week 4 days ago #15

Daomenis

In this example I've too media objects, one under source event e other under event (Lista and the ship respectively). The first one appears only when source is expanded (in my case is settled do be automatically) and second appears independent of the source.
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Benazzi,

The structure you are describing is not what the OP is taking about. Lets look at the RAW GEDCOM.

This is (I think) the structure you are using:
1 BIRT
2 DATE ...
2 PLAC ...
2 SOUR @S_437854560@
3 PAGE Folha 5, ....
3 OBJE @X534@
3 NOTE ...
2 NOTE Vapor ...
2 OBJE @X535@

The information displayed under citation detail (GEDCOM calls this Source_Citation) is built from the following structure:
2 SOUR @S_437854560@
3 PAGE Folha 5, ....
3 OBJE @X534@
3 NOTE ...

The picture of the ship is most likely built from only one line, which is NOT part of the Source information, but relates to the fact:
2 OBJE @X535@

This code is not exacly what you have because I can't look at your GEDCOM but is similar.
Ken

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Show source media 1 week 4 days ago #17

Ken,

My example was to show the differences between a image under source event and under event. The first one will be shown only expanding source and other as default. In my case I change option to expand automatically sources to show these images. And de raw GEDCOM of my example is

1 EMIG
2 DATE 26 AUG 1911
2 PLAC British Overseas Territory of Gibraltar, England
2 NOTE Vapor Italie
2 OBJE @M850@
2 SOUR @S126@
3 PAGE Folha 5, número de ordem 183
3 OBJE @M757@
3 QUAY 3

The first OBJE is the ship and the other is the book page. So they are inverted in my screen print comparing to GEDCOM order. Quite similar to your guess, maybe only NOTE different because this note is to event, not under some source. And of course, could have a note in image but is not displayed in individual page as previous versions of webtrees.

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> Ah yes, now I understand fully. It is indeed added to the Source_Record. I guess my true question is: Is there a way to make it show up on the person page anyway? Or would I need to change the webtrees code?

This was discussed on the forum last year.

There was a large majority that did NOT want source media displayed with the source citation.
Greg Roach - This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. - fisharebest.webtrees.net

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Show source media 1 week 3 days ago #19

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Making it configurable would be an option... I wonder if it's possible change this with a custom theme?

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Show source media 1 week 2 days ago #20

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After giving this some thought, I must say I agree with the design choices here. It makes more sense to show the images of Source Citation. This means I'll have to move this information to the right place, but it will be better for it.

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