TOPIC: Three parent family

Three parent family 5 years 11 months ago #1

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Is there a way to create a three parent family in the official family setting,

other then
a) creating double on everything (husband+wife 1/husband+wife 2/wife1+wife2) or
b) only listing the third person as associate, or a shared note (without family connection ties) ?

Possible uses:
- a true three way relation where are all three parents are as important as the others.
- harem configurations
- maybe others
because in instance - a) - above, the relations between all three parties looks reasonable but, if children come into play, then each child is duplicated for each "family of two" (example: two children for H+W1, two children for H+W2, two children for W1+W2)
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Three parent family 5 years 11 months ago #2

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The short answer in, No!!

Explaining the reasons would take a lot of words that I don't have the time at this moment to explain because their is a long history lesson that goes along with the story.

Also a debate would ensue regarding what is a parent, family and what is genealogy, how to best describe relationships that are NOT genealogical. This discussion is going to be very long.
Ken
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Three parent family 5 years 11 months ago #3

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The GEDCOM file format does not permit this.

If webtrees were to create a family with three parents, it is unlikely that any other genealogy application would be able to read it.
a true three way relation where are all three parents are as important as the others.

There will always be two biological parents.

In the case of a surrogate pregnancy, there are birth parents and adoptive parents.
harem configurations

Like polygamy, each wife has a separate relationship with the husband. She marries the husband, not the other wives.
each child is duplicated for each "family of two"

This is because the GEDCOM format only allows children to be adopted by "families". In the real world, children are adopted by one or two individuals.

So if you adopt your wife's child (from a previous relationship), your wife is forced to adopt her own child, and therefore she features twice in its pedigree (birth parent and adoptive parent).

I don't think there is a way to reflect the true nature of adoptions within GEDCOM.
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Three parent family 5 years 11 months ago #4

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I don't think there is a way to reflect the true nature of adoptions within GEDCOM.
Not sure what you really mean here!

The correct way to report an adoption is as follows:

2 ADOP
3 FAMC @Fx@
4 ADOP <BOTH | HUSB | WIFE>


This part of the event not the individual to family connection.
Ken
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Three parent family 5 years 11 months ago #5

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fisharebest wrote:
harem configurations

Like polygamy, each wife has a separate relationship with the husband. She marries the husband, not the other wives.

There are actual cases of group marriage where everyone (or rather, every parent in the family unit) is married to everyone else, including males to males and females to females - but this is (thankfully for us) rare. See also "Oneida Community" for a recent (as in, 19th/20th century) US case, where everyone who has someone from that family has the "fun" case of adding "family pairs" between 50 or more males and females each (that's over one thousand pairs), essentially all of them adopting the children born in the community at once.

I really wish GEDCOM would support "non-western-traditional" family units better.
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Three parent family 5 years 11 months ago #6

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I really wish GEDCOM would support "non-western-traditional" family units better.
I'd rather ask for non-traditional relationships and leave it at that, leave family, marriage, wife, husband, out of the equasion. That, being said, "Don't Hold Your Breath". Offical GEDCOM changes may come some day, but not in the next few years, and by then webtress will have moved past "these" issues.
Ken
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