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A 3 OBJE of a Source is also shown as 1 OBJE 6 years 4 weeks ago #1

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Hi,

I saw an odd GEDCOM tag whilst changing some 2 OBJE in 3 OBJE on Family page and on Individual page.

All these images are linked to a SOUR but because of the bug "NOT IN DB", I had to remove the link and to re-create it. Of course, there is no possibility to add a 3 OBJE using the GUI. So, I used the "Modify GEDCOM tag" link on the family page.

Going back to the Individual page, trying to see the GEDCOM tags, I saw the following:
1 NAME May M /Tatro/
2 GIVN May M
2 SURN Tatro
1 SEX F
1 BIRT
2 DATE 24 MAY 1900
2 PLAC Middleborough, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA
2 SOUR @S00118@
3 PAGE Vermont Dept. of Health, certificat de décès no 86-004382
3 DATA
4 DATE 11 DEC 1986
2 NOTE Les documents indiquent Middlebury mais la famille habitait Grafton, MA, selon le recensement américain de 1900. Grafton est situé près de Milbury, MA. Alors, est-elle née à Milbury ou à Middleborough ?
3 CONT Cependant les documents s'accordent pour dire qu'elle est née au Massachusetts et non au Vermont.
3 CONT
3 CONT The town was first settled by Europeans in 1661 as Nemasket, later changed to Middlebury, and officially incorporated as Middleborough in 1669. The name Nemasket came from a Native American settlement along the small river that now bears the same name. Nemasket may have meant "place of fish" due to the large amount of herring that migrate up the river each spring. The name Middlebury was taken from a place in England, and changed to the more modern Middleborough.
1 FAMC @F08419@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 09 JUL 2013
3 TIME 14:19:48
2 _WT_USER Jackie
1 DEAT
2 CAUS Arrêt respiratoire et cardiaque
2 DATE 06 DEC 1986
2 PLAC St Albans, Franklin, Vermont, USA
2 ADDR Northwestern Medical Center
3 CONT 133 Fairfield Street
3 CONT St Albans, Vermont 05478
2 AGE 86 ans
2 SOUR @S00118@
3 PAGE Vermont Dept. of Health, certificat no 86-004382
3 DATA
4 DATE 11 DEC 1986
3 OBJE @M104@
1 BURI
2 DATE 09 DEC 1986
2 PLAC Richford, Franklin, Vermont, USA
2 SOUR @S00118@
3 PAGE Vermont Dept. of Health, certificat no. 86-004382
3 DATA
4 DATE 11 DEC 1986
2 ADDR Richford Center Cemetery
1 FAMS @F79@
1 NAME May L /Tetreault/
2 TYPE aka
2 GIVN May L
2 SURN Tetreault
1 OBJE @M106@
1 _WT_OBJE_SORT @M106@

So, how come I have this 1 OBJE ? M106 is a marriage record image. Is it normal to have it on the Indi page?

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1 HUSB @I202@
1 WIFE @I41817@
1 MARR
2 DATE 08 NOV 1916
2 PLAC Richford, Franklin, Vermont, USA
2 WIFE
3 AGE 16 ans
2 SOUR @S49@
3 PAGE Town Clerck of Richford, Vermont
3 OBJE @M106@
3 OBJE @M105@
3 DATA
4 DATE 08 NOV 1916
2 TYPE Religious
2 ADDR Methodist Episcopal
2 HUSB
3 AGE 28 ans
1 CHAN
2 DATE 24 JUN 2011
3 TIME 11:05:36
2 _WT_USER Jackie
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A 3 OBJE of a Source is also shown as 1 OBJE 6 years 4 weeks ago #2

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Jackie,

A "MULTIMEDIA_LINK" or OBJE is valid gedcom at "level 1" for both INDI records and FAM records.
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A 3 OBJE of a Source is also shown as 1 OBJE 6 years 4 weeks ago #3

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Is the problem that the image is associated with the individual and not the event on the family.marriage tag?

Adding the event of a marriage would not/should not ever get close to the individual record.
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A 3 OBJE of a Source is also shown as 1 OBJE 6 years 4 weeks ago #4

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Hi,

After a second verification, I see that the 1 OBJE is also duplicated in the GEDCOM of both spouses.

See this :
www.tetreaugenealogie.org/individual.php...04474&ged=grmjan.ged
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A 3 OBJE of a Source is also shown as 1 OBJE 6 years 4 weeks ago #5

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Hi Ken,

Sorry, I did not see your post before mine.

Well, this image should be linked to a SOUR of the marriage.

The problem I am having is since the bug "NOT IN DB", I am reviewing all media objects. I had a lot of them which were doubled. So, I try to correct this by removing the link and then re-attaching the media to the event/fact.

I think these 1 OBJE may come from the very first beginning when we started to add media. I have just noticed that their IDs are very low number.
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Hi,

I am pretty sure these images were attached to the event not the individuals..
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A 3 OBJE of a Source is also shown as 1 OBJE 6 years 4 weeks ago #7

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Hi,

On List of multimedia, filtre Mariage, I get this


I am pretty sure this image was added when I most likely modified the marriage event. That marriage was probably already in the original GEDCOM imported to webtrees. I think I just added the source and the image, perhaps using the tab Facts and Events of the individual page? Or family page ? I don't remember.
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A 3 OBJE of a Source is also shown as 1 OBJE 6 years 4 weeks ago #8

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Is it somehow possible that the image NOT the tag was changed?

Could the image have at one time been a picture of the individual and somehow someone changed the image or the link to the image in the OBJE record to point to a source image rather than the image of the individual?

It would not take much for the OBJE.FILE link to get changed and cause this as well.
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A 3 OBJE of a Source is also shown as 1 OBJE 6 years 4 weeks ago #9

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norwegian_sardines wrote:
Is it somehow possible that the image NOT the tag was changed?

Could the image have at one time been a picture of the individual and somehow someone changed the image or the link to the image in the OBJE record to point to a source image rather than the image of the individual?

It would not take much for the OBJE.FILE link to get changed and cause this as well.

Hi Ken,

Thank you for your response.

I don't know. These problems started with the new media handling. I caught the bug "NOT IN DB" ;-)

Since then, whenever I have free time, I try to unlink media items and re-link them again. That is the only way (except using Nigel's add-on) to get rid of those "NOT IN DB". And, I just realised today that I have these 1 OBJE when reviewing marriages.
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A 3 OBJE of a Source is also shown as 1 OBJE 6 years 4 weeks ago #10

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Hi,

I also have another strange display on family page..

www.tetreaugenealogie.org/family.php?fam...09374&ged=grmjan.ged
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Go to Administration -> Family trees -> Changes log
Search for changes to the record F09374

You can see when the change happened, and who made it.
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It is ME ! :-(

I must have lost my head that day to add a 1 OBJE @M10@ to a record which already had a 2 OBJE @M10@ !!
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Hi,

I delete the 1 OBJE @M10@ using front end facility. webtrees completely deleted both links : 2 OBJE AND 1 OBJE !!

EDIT : I had to re-enter a 2 OBJE and then (using Modify GEDCOM tag link) change it to 3 OBJE
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Hi,

I am sorry but I am sure I can't have added a 1 OBJE to all my media objects 2 OBJE !! Did I ?
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I delete the 1 OBJE @M10@ using front end facility. webtrees completely deleted both links : 2 OBJE AND 1 OBJE !!

This is how the code was designed to work. This logic is being changed for 1.5.0
I am sorry but I am sure I can't have added a 1 OBJE to all my media objects 2 OBJE !!

If it happened a year ago, but is not happening now, then I guess it was a bug that has been fixed...
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Hi Greg,

Thank you for your support.
If it happened a year ago, but is not happening now, then I guess it was a bug that has been fixed...

Well ! Most likely.
I will continue to review my media objects and correct them manually. I am glad I don't have 20 000 of them. ;-)
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FWIW: in my PGV i noticed that the IDprefix (don't know what to call it) for Marriages and Media is 'M'... looking at a raw gedcom, M104 could be either a Marriage or a Media depending on the GED keyword... i have not gone thru mine to change my Media entries but perhaps 'P' for Picture is better for separation? yes, picture doesn't exactly cover video or sound but it doesn't clash with marriage either ;)
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Marriages are not records, and hence do not have IDs.

So when you say you have a "marrigae with an ID prefix of M", I think you must be mistaken.

It might help to post the GEDCOM data so we can see what you are referring to.
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ahhh i'm probably thinking of F for Family... it is too late in the night (0345) and my back is killing me, can't sleep... my apologies for the wrong idea... i don't know why i always think of marriage instead of family when i see Mxxxx in a GEDCOM :oops:
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