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Google Maps Modul /Place Check/: 2 months 3 weeks ago #1

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Hello,
if In try to select coordinates for unknown places inside of the place checker, the selection will not to be saved. Still no coordinates are assigned to the location.
Does anyone have an idea?
best regards, Marko

My system: webtrees 1.17.13 but the bug exists before
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Google Maps Modul /Place Check/: 2 months 3 weeks ago #2

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You mean the middle part of "Town, , Country"

I don't think it makes sense to assign co-ordinates to an unknown place.
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Google Maps Modul /Place Check/: 2 months 3 weeks ago #3

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The name and the local/regional hierarchy is well known, only the coordinate still to complete. This addition fails.
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Google Maps Modul /Place Check/: 2 months 2 weeks ago #4

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no aswer?
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Google Maps Modul /Place Check/: 2 months 2 weeks ago #5

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madargel wrote:
no aswer?

Tbh your description of the problem lacks some detail.
What actions do you perform exactly? Could you provide some screenshots?
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Google Maps Modul /Place Check/: 2 months 1 week ago #6

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I could not describe more.

I try to fill emty coordinates in paces via place check. The modul didn't save the discoverd values.
Some screenshots are inside the attached pdf-file.

Best regrads, Marko

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Google Maps Modul /Place Check/: 2 months 1 week ago #7

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You cannot add coordinates to any place until it’s “parent” place has coordinates. So in place check you must work from left to right adding coordinates at every level.

You do not need to use places called “unknown”, but if you choose to, then they must have coordinates. Perhaps use the same coordinates as their “parent” place?
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Google Maps Modul /Place Check/: 2 months 1 week ago #8

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kiwi wrote:
You cannot add coordinates to any place until it’s “parent” place has coordinates.
really?
kiwi wrote:
You do not need to use places called “unknown”
Thats an automatically created name, not from me.
kiwi wrote:
.. but if you choose to, then they must have coordinates. Perhaps use the same coordinates as their “parent” place?

Than I should get a lot place unique called "unknown" on different levels with different coordinats. That can work?
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Google Maps Modul /Place Check/: 2 months 1 week ago #9

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I usually give all levels of a location in GM when I set it up, even if the level is not used as a place in a fact or event.

I usually don't document or care about some location levels if they don't normally get used. So I'm not in the habit of entering (in the USA) townships or neighborhoods. However in the USA I do use: Street Address, City, County, State, Country In Norway I use: Street Address (or Farm name), Kommune, Fylke, Country. I try to learn all of the major levels of a country and enter them all. This is why I created the first Norway structure for webtrees some years back so people don't have to key it all in themselves. I think it has been updated by others.

The Place tag matches up to the list in the Google Module (one-for-one) and find the location on the map.

All levels must have coordinates. but if the lowest level does not have a coordinate (I think) it moves up a level and matches there.


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Therefore: You should learn and use the various levels of government places for the country you are referencing. You don't need to have all of the places, if you are only documenting one location. So if you were only documenting a singular town in Norway like Naustdal You would need to learn that the town was in the Kommune of Naustdal, Fylke of Sogn og Fjordane, Country Norge Not entering the Fylke would be a mistake because Naustdal can be found in multiple Fylkes.
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Google Maps Modul /Place Check/: 2 months 1 week ago #10

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The GEDCOM specifcation allows you to use "structured place names".

That is to say, each part of the place name has an "administrative level". e.g.

1 BIRT
2 PLAC Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England
3 FORM town, county, country

It can be tedious to enter the structure for every place. So, it is possible to set a default in the GEDCOM header record.
This default applies to every place that does not have its own FORM.

0 HEAD
1 PLAC
2 FORM town, county, county

I can now write

1 BIRT
2 PLAC Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England

without the FORM.

But if I also have an event in the US, I *must* give it a FORM, because the structure is different.

1 DEAT
2 PLAC Oakland, Alameda County, California, United States
3 FORM city, county, state, country

It also means that if I do not know part of the place, I must leave a gap. For example, if my HEAD/PLAC/FORM record specifies "town, county, country", and I only know the town and country, then I must write either

2 PLAC Newport, , England

2 PLAC Newport, England
3 FORM town, country

This indicates that Newport is a town, and not a county. (There are many places called Newport).


It also means that I do not know the co-ordinates of Newport. If I knew the co-ordinates, I would also know which county it was in!


webtrees does not use structured places. To my knowledge, there is no genealogy application that uses structured places.
Therefore there is no need to use a FORM tag, and there is no need to have these "gaps" in place names.
Also, it causes confusion when there is more than one unknown place. For example:

2 PLAC Newport, , England
2 PLAC St Ives, , England

Both of these are in unknown counties - but they are in *different* unknown counties. By leaving a gap, you force webtrees to create an "unknown" county - and it puts both places in the *same* unknown county.

I would recommend that you do not use these gaps.
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Google Maps Modul /Place Check/: 2 months 6 days ago #11

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Thank you for your explaination.
I have to use the kind of gaps because I couldnt clarify the full hierarchy. But I don't want to delete the incomplete location hierarchy.
Marko
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Google Maps Modul /Place Check/: 2 months 6 days ago #12

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I don't understand, this cannot happen. I mean, if you don't know which of the dozens of cities named "Franklin" in the USA the event happened, how can you even think of assigning coordinates in the maps module?

Another approach I then sometimes take, is to only record the absolute certain place hierarchy levels, and put the rest in a note so the reader can guess as well and no data is really lost. But the place hierarchy is kept clean.

Other times I don't care about the strict hierarchy, and I'd just record "PLAC Franklin, USA". You and I know there's no state with that name, so no ambiguity there. You still would not assign coordinates to it.
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Google Maps Modul /Place Check/: 2 months 4 days ago #13

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Please look at my pdf file.
The case is not to assign coordinates to unknown cities. The case are missing coordinates to well known cities with unknown districts or counties - the gap inside the hierarchy.

esp: Bataki/Tauroggen

The reason is, I don't have enough information because in historical times the names changed a lot esp. in former Prussia, now Poland or Russia.


I use this case since 10 years w/o any problem. But just now I have such ones.
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Google Maps Modul /Place Check/: 2 months 4 days ago #14

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I don't have enough information because in historical times the names changed a lot esp. in former Prussia, now Poland or Russia.

I always uses the current location information for my Places for just this reason.

I use notes to tell my readers the historical name and "location" information. I would submit that all of the places in the world that any of my relatives either lived or visited have changed their names or location hierarchy at one time or another. I would also submit that if I wanted to actually reuse the location hierarchy of a specific set of coordinates (which never change) for a place on the planet and run a report of all people that lived or visited in a plave I would need to be consistent in the names used in the PLAC tag.

Therefore,

Olso, Norway, Would be the same as coordinates as Christiania, Norway and thus I would use the same location hierarchy. Oslo, Norway

The same would be true for locations in the USA where the country in power over the coordinates could have been Spain, France, England, USA depending on the year.

And Yes the same could be said for Poland which depending on the year could be Germany, Prussia, Hungarian Empire, Russia, Romania ....

This gets even more complicated when a city has multiple names at the same time in history depending on the religious or ethnic makeup of the place. Several of the places my wife's family resided in Poland in the early 1900's had two names depending on their national origin (German vs. Polish). I've see this also in Romania, Hungary and Czechoslovakia where a town has a Serbian, Hungarian or Romanian name as well as a German name depending on the person's (record keeper's) ethnic connection. I record all of these places with the current name and location for mapping purposes and use NOTES to tell readers the name at the time.

My system is not perfect, nor does it satisfy the Historian in me who wants to be accurate in the naming of historical places. But since it is also important to have a mapping program that tells users where a place is on a map they can use this is the best we can do. I can also run my own special reports that list all people that are connected to a PLACe because all of the places thru history are the same in my database.
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Google Maps Modul /Place Check/: 2 months 3 days ago #15

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Therefore.... If you know what you are doing you can do something like this:

In the Fact GEDCOM
1 BIRT
2 DATE 02 JAN 1784
2 PLAC Bavaria, Germany
3 NOTE @n4@
2 SOUR @s1@
3 PAGE en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_I,_Duke_of_Saxe-Coburg_and_Gotha


Where Shared Note n4 has the following information:

Coburg, Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld, Holy Roman Empire

Link: [Wikipedia project](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxe-Coburg)

And looks like this:
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Google Maps Modul /Place Check/: 1 month 4 weeks ago #16

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Hy Ken, thank you for your hint. But that is no my may.
1. not for 2862 Individuals with a lot of facts.
2. The better way could't you see if you would have a look at my site: myancestry.de/phpgedview/individual.php?...5&ged=MyAncestry.ged
3. my initial problem is resolved. The reason was a manually added (how ever and why ever - I don't know) place "unknown" - fulfilled inside the form. I deleted this entry and with the system created ones it works fine at all unknown places.

myancestry.de/phpgedview/placelist.php?ged=MyAncestry.ged

thank you all, Marko
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