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TOPIC: [SOLVED] Namecloud for one place

Namecloud for one place 1 month 1 week ago #1

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How do I generate a namecloud for one place?
sth. like:

Berlin, Germany
Andersen (8), Merkel (401), Schröder (404), etc.
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Namecloud for one place 1 month 1 week ago #2

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I don't think there's a way to do that.
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Namecloud for one place 1 month 1 week ago #3

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There is a small problem with question. Individuals are not directly linked to places. Only facts and events are connected to them. So first you have to decide if you mean people born in those places, or married there, or died there etc.
Even ”lived there” (RESI tag) doesn't work because people move.
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Namecloud for one place 1 month 1 week ago #4

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Understand... thx for the answers :-)
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[SOLVED] Namecloud for one place 1 month 1 week ago #5

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Problem solved.
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Namecloud for one place 1 month 1 week ago #6

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kiwi wrote:
There is a small problem with question. Individuals are not directly linked to places. Only facts and events are connected to them. So first you have to decide if you mean people born in those places, or married there, or died there etc.
Even ”lived there” (RESI tag) doesn't work because people move.

The place hierarchy already provides a list of individuals connected to a place, so it seems sensible to start with that.

Using these ids as an additional input for an adjusted 'getTopSurnames' function (webtrees 1.x), I think it would be rather straightforward to obtain a top surname list (or tagcloud) for a specific place. Or am I missing something here?
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Namecloud for one place 1 month 1 week ago #7

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Bric2015 wrote:
The place hierarchy already provides a list of individuals connected to a place, so it seems sensible to start with that.

No, that is a list of events that were recorded in a given place, grouped and sorted by the individual connected to that event. Subtly, but IMHO importantly different. It means such an analysis would conflate people who were born there, with people who perhaps died there after living there for only a few weeks.

I didn’t say the idea couldn’t be made to work, only that the question needs to be more specific to be of any statistical value. A tag cloud of people born in a place would work, if that’s what is wanted, for example.
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Namecloud for one place 1 month 1 week ago #8

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> I think it would be rather straightforward to obtain a top surname list (or tagcloud) for a specific place. Or am I missing something here?

You are right. It would be straightforward to combine existing functions to create this feature.

The only complexity might be lower-levels in the hierarchy. i.e. to display "Surnames in England", you must also consider "Surnames in xxx, Engalnd", "Surnames in yyy, England", "Surnames in zzz, England", etc.

Is this feature useful for genealogy? Do people want this feature? I do not know.
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Namecloud for one place 2 weeks 6 days ago #9

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fisharebest wrote:
> I think it would be rather straightforward to obtain a top surname list (or tagcloud) for a specific place. Or am I missing something here?

You are right. It would be straightforward to combine existing functions to create this feature.

The only complexity might be lower-levels in the hierarchy. i.e. to display "Surnames in England", you must also consider "Surnames in xxx, Engalnd", "Surnames in yyy, England", "Surnames in zzz, England", etc.

Is this feature useful for genealogy? Do people want this feature? I do not know.
Here they call it "online heritage books"
www.ortsfamilienbuecher.de
They mean a kind of place heritage books = all persons/families from one place

I think it would be great having just a list with all individuals from one place, meaning whenever in the individual's file (birth, marriage, death, address, residence) the place is mentioned, the individual would be on this list.
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Namecloud for one place 2 weeks 2 days ago #10

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kiwi wrote:
Bric2015 wrote:
The place hierarchy already provides a list of individuals connected to a place, so it seems sensible to start with that.

No, that is a list of events that were recorded in a given place, grouped and sorted by the individual connected to that event. Subtly, but IMHO importantly different. It means such an analysis would conflate people who were born there, with people who perhaps died there after living there for only a few weeks.

I didn’t say the idea couldn’t be made to work, only that the question needs to be more specific to be of any statistical value. A tag cloud of people born in a place would work, if that’s what is wanted, for example.

One way to tackle this may be to count a MAX of 1 event for an individual. So, although a person is recorded as having multiple events at a specific place (eg. birth, residence, marriage) you count a max of one event.

You could then add a filter to search for specific events of interest, e.g. birth, baptism, census (by year), etc.
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