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7 years 10 months ago #1 by jopla
Hello,

In events like marriage, death and birth you can add related persons. And specify the kind of relation. Witness is f.e.
But I like to add the (in Dutch) "aangever" als relation. Google translate this as "declarant". How to add this kind of person to the program if it is possible?

Thanks for reaction,

Jop

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7 years 10 months ago #2 by fisharebest
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1) You can add any data by using the "Edit raw GEDCOM data" link at the bottom of the page.

2) One of the available options is (in English) "informant". Is this the same thing?

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7 years 10 months ago #3 by jopla
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Hi fisharebest,

Thanks for your reaction. If I add it by the raw GEDCOM I think that it will be only in Dutch and not in other languages. Maybe informant is correct but then the translation to Dutch is not correct in my opinion.

f.e. "Aangever" is the person who come to the Civil Registry Office to declare that a person died. Do you think that it is in English an Informant?

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7 years 10 months ago #4 by fisharebest
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> Maybe informant is correct but then the translation to Dutch is not correct in my opinion.
> f.e. "Aangever" is the person who come to the Civil Registry Office to declare that a person died.

In English, this person would be called either a "registrant" (one who reigsters an event) or an "informant" (one who tells the authorities about something).

Informant is the more general-purpose word.

A registrant is an informant. (If you register, you must also inform)
An informant is not always a registrant. (You can inform, without registering).

If I look at two documents in my own tree, I see:

Death certificate - the person is called a "registrant" - they register the death.
Divorce certificate - the person is called an "informant" - they inform the courts about the divorce.

Do all languages have this distinction?

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7 years 10 months ago #5 by jopla
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Hi,

I was looking in the "British English" version, but I cannot add "registrant" for a birth in the program. What did you choose to get "registrant"? Or did you mean the clerk from the civil registry with the function "registry".

Further I see in dutch translation 2x "getuige". In English it is translated as "Witness" and "Best-man". In my opinion two different kind of functions. Best man is specific for marriages, witness is more general. I am afraid that for the English readers I will have now a lot of "best man" as baptise witness ;-)

Where can I find the translations of the program? Or is it anywhere possible to correct the translation?

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7 years 10 months ago #6 by fisharebest
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The list of relationships can be seen at github.com/fisharebest/webtrees/blob/mas...e/GedcomCodeRela.php

This list was inherited from earlier software, and has not been reviewed for a long time.

Perhaps it is time to update it?


> Where can I find the translations of the program? Or is it anywhere possible to correct the translation?

The translations are managed at translate.webtrees.net
If you register an account, you will be able to update the translations.

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7 years 10 months ago - 7 years 10 months ago #7 by jopla
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Thanks.

I changed the translation for "Best man" to "Bruidsjonker". It is more in line with "Bridesmaid" = "Bruidsmeisje".

I'm doubting about the translation of "Ward" and "Guardian" (in Dutch both translated as "Voogd". If I look in my dictionaries then the Ward is the pupil of a Guardian. Am I correct?

Maybe good idea to review the "GedcomCodeRela.php". Can I help you with it?

Another thing: Am I right that you will not see the relation in the fact-sheet of the related person? Or does I have to change a setting anywhere?
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7 years 10 months ago #8 by fisharebest
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> Or does I have to change a setting anywhere?

At the top of the "fact-sheet of the related person", you will see a check-box "Events of close relatives".

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7 years 10 months ago #9 by jopla
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Thanks.

That button shows the event of closest family. But if the relation is some further, it will not always show. And it shows also not the relation (f.e. Best man to ... ) .

I add an "informant" to a "common in law marriage", but at the page of this person you doesn't see the event.

Is that correct?

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7 years 10 months ago #10 by fisharebest
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No. This option shows close relatives *AND* associates.

On the demo site, go to Queen Elizableth II.

On her baptism, you see a godparent (associate). Go to the godparent, and you will see the baptism.

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7 years 10 months ago #11 by jopla
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Thanks for your reaction.

In the case I described the event is not shown on the fact-list of the associate. Can you test it in your tree?

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7 years 10 months ago #12 by fisharebest
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On the demo site, I see that it is only working for one of the godparents (King George V). This is probably a bug.

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7 years 10 months ago #13 by jopla
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Hi Greg,

Some further research leaned me that the first person that I associate is shown correct, but second or more not. Where can I report this bug or have you done it yet?

Jop

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7 years 10 months ago #14 by fisharebest
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> Where can I report this bug

github.com/fisharebest/webtrees/issues

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