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Custom Events for Convict information 5 years 5 months ago #1

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Being Australian with significant Tasmanian connections I am coming across many 18th century convict ancestors. Neither webtrees nor GEDCOM specifications provide suitable / specific event templates to cover the information available, some times I can stumble across a way to enter some info but by the time I next try to do it I have forgotten how I did it.

some of the types of information include:
Trial (Court e.g. Exeter Quarter Sessions, date, Charges, Verdict, Sentence)
Transportation (Ship, departure port & date, Arrival port & Date)
Permission to marry.
...

You can browse records at
Tasmanin Names Index
I'm Happy to help where I can to achieve this wish.

mick in glen innes

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Custom Events for Convict information 5 years 5 months ago #2

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First, GEDCOM is about genealogy, not family history, so therefore the specification does not include things that are too far removed from this concept.

However, since most of us are really doing family history, we very often record some things that don't fit the GEDCOM/genealogy narrative, like military events, incarceration, hobbies, places of employment, etc.

Custom facts and events are easy to create. They are of two types (FACT, EVEN) each use two elements to define them (TYPE, description) in the GEDCOM specification.

1 FACT description
2 TYPE value

An event would substitute the tag EVEN for FACT.

The TYPE tag sets the type new/custom fact/event and the description is an optional additional refined definition of the fact/event. For example:

1 EVEN induction
2 TYPE Military
...

Would be used to document the date and place a person was inducted into the military.

1 EVEN Battle
2 TYPE Military
...

Would be used to document the date and place of a person's participation in a particular battle. You could use a similar structure to document service on a ship.

Use your imagination. I tend to create generic TYPE values that allow you to lump together larger custom fact/event together. I also am careful to not divide one true fact into separate facts but to use all of the tags in the GEDCOM specification together.
Ken

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Custom Events for Convict information 5 years 5 months ago #3

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Mick

Ken is spot on. Never create a new specific tag, which I think is where you were headed with your question. They are not transferable between systems, and therefore the main reason for complaints that GEDCOM no longer works as s "standard".
In fact if used correctly it works great; and "correctly" means exactly what Ken has described.

In deciding how to use the custom event tag (most if not all yours will be events rather than facts I believe) you should also consider how you will want to find and / or display this data in future (lists, reports etc). So I would recommend a common TYPE like "Australian convict" and then descriptors for the different record types.
Don't forget to fully source reference everything as you go, and add the appropriate dates and places plus any notes that help fill out the data.

You should probably keep a note about the structure you decide on so you can consistently reuse it in future. Perhaps write an FAQ on your site to explain it too, for yourself and any other users who might use it on your site.
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Custom Events for Convict information 5 years 5 months ago #4

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Therefore, In keeping with Nigel's start.


1 EVEN Trial
2 TYPE Australian convict
2 DATE FROM ... TO ...
2 PLAC location of court
2 AGNC name of court
2 NOTE Charges: ...
3 CONT Verdict: ...
3 CONT Sentence: ...

Was the "Transportation" part of the Australian convict?

1 EVEN Convict Transfer
2 TYPE Australian convict
2 DATE FROM ... TO ...
2 NOTE Ship Name: ...
2 CONT Embarkation Port: ...
2 CONT Debarkation Port: ...

Are possible solutions to your query.


EDIT: Or you could spell out each step of the process if you have dates for each part. Trial, Sentencing, Leave for incarceration, Arrive in Australia.
Ken

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Custom Events for Convict information 5 years 5 months ago #5

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norwegian_sardines wrote: 1 EVEN Trial
2 TYPE Australian convict
2 DATE FROM ... TO ...
2 PLAC location of court
2 AGNC name of court


Yes - except for the minor point that webtrees doesn't currently facilitate adding the AGNC sub-tag to an EVEN in it's GUI. (...and I'm not a fan of encouraging manual GEDCOM entries)
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Custom Events for Convict information 5 years 5 months ago #6

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As I remember the process

1. First comes the crime - stealing three goats and a bucket
2. next is the trial - e.g. Warminster Assizes
3. now a conviction and sentence - Guilty, Transportation for 14 years
4. off to the hulks to wait for a ship load to gather
5. ship departs england
6. about 90 days later ship arrives Hobart Town or Sydney
7. now about ten years of virtual slavery
8. get Ticket of Leave
9. after another couple of years come a Conditional Pardon

I see a "court" event covering 1 to 4
a Transportation event 5 & 6
ticket event/fact and a Pardon event/ Fact

hope this all makes sense, I get what norwegian_sardines is putting forward4 but I'm not sure how to do it, is there a how-to?

mick

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Custom Events for Convict information 5 years 5 months ago #7

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No different to any other event. Just add "custom event" from the drop-down list like you would birth, death etc.

EDIT: you might have to go right to the bottom of the list to find it.
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Custom Events for Convict information 5 years 5 months ago #8

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Nigel said:

(...and I'm not a fan of encouraging manual GEDCOM entries)

Yes you are right. Raw GEDCOM is not for the beginner or maybe not even more advanced users.
Ken

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Custom Events for Convict information 5 years 5 months ago #9

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I would do this as well.

1 EVEN Conditional Pardon
2 TYPE Australian convict
2 DATE ...
Ken

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Custom Events for Convict information 5 years 5 months ago #10

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Oh by the way.

The GUI has the order of the data entry a little different than I would expect.

The first data entry point says in English "Event" you should place the value of (for example) "Trial" here.
The second data entry point says in English "Type of event" you should place the value, "Australian convict" here.

The data names are correct, but the most important one is the second "Type of event" which is used to define the custom event.
Ken

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