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Backward pointer for ASSOciations 2 years 11 months ago #1

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Hi,
I am using ASSO and RELA to indicate non-familiar associations between people.
Example (in GEDCOM):
0 @I5@ INDI
1 CHR
2 ASSO @I6@
3 RELA godmother
in German: "Patin" bei der Taufe

My problem is, that the ASSO is a one way pointer; looking at @I6@ in my example I don't see, that this individual has an association to @I5@.
There is even no report that shows the ASSOs.

One solution could be the generation of a corresponding ASSO automatically (i.E. adding 2 ASSO @I5@ ; 3 RELA <opposite of godmother> in the @I6@ record.
But how would these ASSOs be shown in WebTrees? There I would like to see a new tab "Associations" which lists all entered associations and automatically generated associations.

How do you think about this?
Or is there another way to solve my "problem"?

Kind regards, Peter

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Backward pointer for ASSOciations 2 years 11 months ago #2

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webtrees shows the association link at both "ends"

For example, the baptism of Queen Elizabeth (dev.webtrees.net/demo-stable/individual.php?pid=I1&ged=demo) has an association to her godparents.

If you visit the page of a godparent (dev.webtrees.net/demo-stable/individual.php?pid=i7&ged=demo) and tick the box to show "Events of close relatives", then the baptism is also shown on his page.
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Backward pointer for ASSOciations 2 years 11 months ago #3

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Thank you!

I never realized, that there is a check box near to "Events of close relatives"!
Sometimes it's so easy!!!

German saying: "Wer lesen kann, ist klar im Vorteil" ;-)

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[SOLVED] Backward pointer for ASSOciations 2 years 11 months ago #4

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Problem s
NOT solved.

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[SOLVED-NOT] Backward pointer for ASSOciations 2 years 11 months ago #5

apberger wrote: Problem solved.


No. Problem is not solved. Only the first ASSO is linked, the other ones are not.

Taking the same example of the baptism of Queen Elizabeth (dev.webtrees.net/demo-stable/individual.php?pid=I1&ged=demo). There are 6 godparents, click on any one except the first one (King George V), and there is NO backward link anywhere to be found.

This is an old problem with webtrees and ASSO. And it affects all associated people, not just godparents but also the witnesses, classmates, attending physicians, etc. Only the first on the list is linked backward to the person's event - all the others are not.

There was a bug report few years back about this problem. I hope we may get the solution at some point.

In the meantime to remedy the problem, I create an event for an ASSO person. Using Princess Mary of Teck as an example it would look something like this

EVEN Baptism
TYPE Godmother
DATE 29 MAY 1926
PLAC City of Westminster, London, England
ADDR The Chapel at Buckingham Palace
ASSO I1 - if I1 is Queen Elizabeth II's ID number

You have to do it for each person on the list (except the first one). Only then the ASSO will show the backward links.

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[SOLVED-NOT] Backward pointer for ASSOciations 2 years 11 months ago #6

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Really [NOT SOLVED]!!
I tested it and also the second ASSO godfather had a correct backlink, but it only seemed to be correct as the godfather was the Grandfather of the origin and was shown as ASSO therefore!

Then I tested it with two new ASSOs with non relatives - You are right! Only the first backlink exists!

My first attemption was an enhancement. But now I call it a severe error and hope for a quick solution!

Kind regards Peter

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Backward pointer for ASSOciations 2 years 11 months ago #7

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Hot can I indicate this issue as not solved?

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[SOLVED-NOT] Backward pointer for ASSOciations 2 years 11 months ago #8

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apberger wrote: Hi
But now I call it a severe error and hope for a quick solution!


This is issue 1192 .

If you don't want to wait for a fix, which will hopefully be included in the next webtrees release, you can use my custom module in the meantime. It provides a modified version of the 'Facts and Events' tab, where this bug is fixed. It also displays the inverse association, if there is one (e.g. 'godson' for 'godfather'), and the inverse relationship.
Richard

webtrees 2.0.15 at cissee.de/webtrees2
Vesta custom modules (Classic Look & Feel, Gov4Webtrees, Shared Places, Extended Relationships) available at cissee.de

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[SOLVED-NOT] Backward pointer for ASSOciations 1 year 11 months ago #9

Hi.

I defnitely want to see the ASSO work in both directions in the standard installation! Please add this feature.

Another question: Why are the f.i. in baptism two options "add associate" and what is the difference between them (latest webtrees version)?

CHess

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[SOLVED-NOT] Backward pointer for ASSOciations 1 year 11 months ago #10

Another question: Why are the f.i. in baptism two options "add associate" and what is the difference between them (latest webtrees version)?


You can add two associates in one step. If you have more than two you have to call this function twice ore more.
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[SOLVED-NOT] Backward pointer for ASSOciations 1 year 11 months ago #11

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> I defnitely want to see the ASSO work in both directions in the standard installation! Please add this feature.

Look at the baptism on this page dev.webtrees.net/demo-dev/index.php?rout...ual&xref=i1&ged=demo

You will see there is an associated godparent.

Visit the page of the godparent - dev.webtrees.net/demo-dev/index.php?rout...ual&xref=i7&ged=demo

Select the "show events of relatives" option

You will see the baptism on this page also.
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[SOLVED-NOT] Backward pointer for ASSOciations 1 year 11 months ago #12

Yes, but for the first association only! Queen Elizabeth II had six associates ...
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[SOLVED-NOT] Backward pointer for ASSOciations 1 year 11 months ago #13

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mp wrote: Yes, but for the first association only! Queen Elizabeth II had six associates ...


Fixed. e.g. dev.webtrees.net/demo-dev/index.php?rout...ual&xref=i8&ged=demo
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[SOLVED-NOT] Backward pointer for ASSOciations 1 year 11 months ago #14

I don't understand it. On my installation itis not working as in the demo. I have the latest version installed. Do I have to activate something?

CHess

EDIT: Ah okay, now I see what you mean. The other associates do not work as intended... I have two witnesses and only for the first one the recursive function works... okay. But why do you say it is fixed, when it isn't? Or is the demo an unreleased webtrees version?

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[SOLVED-NOT] Backward pointer for ASSOciations 1 year 11 months ago #15

fisharebest wrote:

mp wrote: Yes, but for the first association only! Queen Elizabeth II had six associates ...


Fixed. e.g. dev.webtrees.net/demo-dev/index.php?rout...ual&xref=i8&ged=demo


Thank you, so so much. Much needed fix. Now which ver of webtrees is it? And how to incorporate this change into existing website?

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[SOLVED-NOT] Backward pointer for ASSOciations 1 year 11 months ago #16

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>But why do you say it is fixed, when it isn't? Or is the demo an unreleased webtrees version?

The demo server runs the very latest development code. It is updated every hour.

You'll need to wait for the fix to be included in a stable release.
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[SOLVED-NOT] Backward pointer for ASSOciations 1 year 11 months ago #17

Yeah, great. Thank you very much! Keep up the fantastic work.

CHess

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