Question Surname input with slashes or without (suggestion)

I think you are being too hard on webtrees.  If the developers were your paid consultants you would get exactly what you want, it would probably not support GEDCOM at all and you would own the program yourself.  No one gets paid to do this, and the people who write the code and advise on what to support do all of this to better their own strategies for support their hobby.  Most of us have day jobs or other activities they do besides working on webtrees.  I love helping people with genealogy, as a trained genealogist I see too many people without a clue about this hobby, so I help them.  But this takes time away from my own work in genealogy and my other hobbies. 

Soo... no exist any sprints here to fix some things or upgrade? How is organized or accepted some changes?

I don't understand your statement!

How is organized some upgrade and new version? Who doing this?
github.com/fisharebest/webtrees/graphs/contributors
Looks fisharebest is main developer
github.com/fisharebest/webtrees/projects/1
I guess it's more individual decision than some collective voice. Roadmap june 2023

Have you looked at the "Add-On" section of this website?  Many people have contributed to the ongoing changes to webtrees, not all are incorporated into the core code.

We normally discuss issues, resolutions and potential changes as a group.  Then someone with coding experience writes a new module that works with the current design to augment webtrees.  If you want the code to do something different you need to work within the system already set up to create modules rather than writing snippets and providing them in the forum.

You should clearly define a problem or upgrade in the discussion forum, others may have a similar concern but have different ideas about what the real concern is verses your ideas.

For example if you want the ability to add a "Family_Record" then the individuals that are part of the family after that, work up the use case, create a module, new menu item and present the code as a module that someone can implement if they want that data entry work flow.

For Example: If you want users to only enter Given Name and Surname, then write a module that replaces the current work flow and present it as an Add-On so administrators can use if or ignore it.

I don't know how to do this because I'm not a PHP programmer, I have things I would like to add myself but can't write Modules.    

Clear.. we will see..
1st must fix our trees : )

Soo..backing to this topic.. looks I find the issue..
My users not understand why Names are twice.. eg. when adding wife (image).. this twice are only for wifes?
Coz.. the Name Surname is twice, just the combolist is diffrent (not sure is gedcom needs? Even gedcom.. then name is not needed to fill twice from GUI).

My users not understand why Names are twice.. eg. when adding wife (image).. this twice are only for wifes?

If you are asking, "Why would an individual have two INDI.NAME tags" I see two possiblities:

1) A Name change. My father changed his name from his birth name to a more English sounding and spelled name. So not just for women that change their name. Men can also change surname in marriage as well. Sometime they both hyphenate their name, i.e. Smith-Jones

2) Spelling differences. In Church and immigration documents some recorders don't know how to spell a name that is pronounced in a foreign tongue. So a name like Ingeborg could be recorded as Ingebord/Ingebor because that is how it sound to the recorder. I enter both names in webtrees to help me when I am searching other databases for more information, some searching algorithms don't use soundex/sounds like.

There is a tree preference, I think called "surname tradition" or "name convention". One of its values is making the husbands name being added as married name when a new wife is added.

Change that preference via the control panel and make your users happy.

@bertkoor thx but this changing nothing, due bad fill in begin coz horror when they fill all for intuition around.

The setting will not change existing persons, only the dialog for new wifes.

Try harder to find the setting most to your likings.

You wont see my merge rows due this duplicates and mixed Surnames in case this similarity in some case minds other persons.. totally craps.. but taking this as experience how this all playing in system. From my side this all must be implemented to prevent this type cases.

Try to be less of a perfectionist, and allow yourself to learn and adapt.

Only bad craftsmen blame their tools.

I found at times I made a mess of things, and learned better ways, so eventually threw all in the garbage and started over again, but now doing it properly. Eat humble pie...

bertkoor wrote:

Try to be less of a perfectionist, and allow yourself to learn and adapt.

Only bad craftsmen blame their tools.

I found at times I made a mess of things, and learned better ways, so eventually threw all in the garbage and started over again, but now doing it properly. Eat humble pie...

I agree 100%. At this very moment I'm reworking all of my sourcing, because I have learn better ways in 40 years and I going back to the work I did at the start and changing my citation/source information.

Over the years I have written little pieces of code that changes the raw GEDCOM to fix other things I did that I can do better today.

Learn from this start, fix the problems, learn how to use webtrees, then teach your users what you learned.

I think that Name and Surname is not taken in pedigree-chart as default name but Name2 : ) event exist Name1 (default) and in other digarams we see normally Name1, but not here..
github.com/magicsunday/webtrees-pedigree-chart
Can confirm somebody this case? Or this is with premeditation?

If this is an issue with an Add-On you need to open a report with the author of the module.  

Perhaps you should first think and try how webtrees works, before spamming this forum with unlaid eggs.
The "Pedigree chart" of MagicSunday shows (among other things) the "Given Name" and the "Surname".
And in WT or GEDCOM there does not exist a "Name1" or a "Name2".
You can reorder the Names within WT or GEDCOM. The first occurence (GEDCOM top down) of the name within an INDI is used for presentation in MagicSundays "Pedigree chart".
by the way: this theme(topic) would have been better entered within a new topic, may be in "Category" "Customizing". The original topic was "Surname..."

webtreesFUN wrote:

I think that Name and Surname is not taken in pedigree-chart as default name but Name2 : ) event exist Name1 (default) and in other digarams we see normally Name1, but not here..
github.com/magicsunday/webtrees-pedigree-chart
Can confirm somebody this case? Or this is with premeditation?

Looks like it fetches the primary name, it's not forcing to retrieve the married name.
github.com/magicsunday/webtrees-pedigree...Facade.php#L148-L184
github.com/magicsunday/webtrees-module-b...cessor.php#L105-L129

You can report issues at the GitHub issue tracker of MagicSunday.
Please provide snippets of GEDCOM so he can reproduce it.
In webtrees you have quick access to the GEDCOM data via the "edit" dialogs.

Now imagine that some users resisted these suggestions from charts, they made stupid connections. I just grabbing feedback why users do this or this.. and discovering problems or source of this.

not true? What do you mean? which user? Are you not the user? Why don't the users contact the forum themselves?

webtrees user.. on my system. I added this addon for them was nice to see relations, but something goes wrong with identification
They do something on 1 page and card of browser, then on 2 page with card where was this chart and addon, the fill data, refresh.
By this I see a need to have some iframe to have view on form to put data and view on charts about active individual like this:
dev.webtrees.net/demo-dev/tree/demo/hourglass-3-0/i1