Question Question about adoption

Paul A was born to Pierre A and Marie B
at the age of 3, his father and mother died [Pierre A and Marie B].
he becomes a "ward of the nation" (France) (he officially loses ties with his grandparents)
at the age of 5, he is adopted by Jean C and Claire D, so his name becomes Paul C.
If he marries Léa D, they have a child jules C
what will the family tree show the branch of A and B and their ancestors, or the branch of C and D and their ancestors, or both branches?
How can I see genetic and/or adopted ancestors in the trees?
Should A, C and their descendants be included in SURN?
Same question with the Jules C fan-chart?
How can we keep a representation of the tree for him and his descendants following these events?
Does the fan-chart show ascendants in relation to birth or adoption?
 

Much of this depends on what you are recording. 

The following is my opinion, you (and others) could see things differently!

Are you recording:

1) Genetic relationships (Genealogy)
2) Family relationships (Family History)

I make this distinction because in true "genealogy" we are only interested in genetics, while "family history" records all family relationships, and as we know "family can be messy".

In genealogy we would create only connections between the individual and their genetic family members, while in "family history" we will make connections between all relationships.  NOTE: Nothing stops you from doing both at the same time but this will cause some inconsistent behavior in reports.

I've have to run off to a meeting for my museum in a few minutes, but I'll get back to this in a few hours.

Think about what is most important to you when you want to run a report.

But off the top of my head I would NOT use a single SURN to report both Paul A and Paul C.  I would create two NAME tags.

> what will the family tree show the branch of A and B and their ancestors, or the branch of C and D and their ancestors, or both branches?

Where possible, webtrees will show all parents.

But where we can only show one set of parents (e.g. pedigree charts, fan chart, etc.), webtrees will use the *first* family.

You can change the order of parents by visiting the page of "Paul A", and choosing: Edit -> Re-order families

Put your prefered family first.

As Greg indicated charts generally only show the primary (first family associated with the individual) and because the website is always live it is hard to see all family relationships in charts.  This is where you need to decide what is most important to you regarding which relationship is most important.

If I was only showing the genealogy of an individual I would order the birth family first, on the other hand if I was doing a "surname study" I would order the adopted family first.  These can be swapped but as I said this is a live application that if you were to change the order for yourself others would see that order as well in the charts they are viewing which may not be to their liking!

Also remember that in the charts the primary name is the first NAME in the GEDCOM, therefore changing the order of the family relationship will still show the primary name of the individual, which may not coincide with the family relationships.

As far as the names, I would do this in the GEDCOM.  The order of these names is important to set the "primary name".

1 NAME Paul /A/
2 TYPE BIRTH
1 NAME Paul /C/
2 TYPE ADOPTED

webtrees should pick up the surname in the NAME tag without a SURN tag.

First of all, thank you for your information.
I wanted to see what we had with webtrees, and I created a tree whose here is the gedcom.

0 HEAD
1 SOUR webtrees
2 NAME webtrees
2 VERS 2.1.19
1 DEST DISKETTE
1 DATE 04 APR 2024
2 TIME 07:02:48
1 GEDC
2 VERS 5.5.1
2 FORM LINEAGE-LINKED
1 CHAR UTF-8
1 FILE tree1.ged
0 @X27965@ INDI
1 SEX M
1 NAME Antoine /AGenetic/
2 GIVN Antoine
2 SURN AGenetic
1 BIRT Y
1 FAMS @X27967@
0 @X27966@ INDI
1 SEX F
1 NAME Martine /E/
2 TYPE BIRTH
2 GIVN Martine
2 SURN E
1 NAME Martine /AGenetic/
2 TYPE MARRIED
2 GIVN Martine
2 SURN AGenetic
1 BIRT Y
1 FAMS @X27967@
0 @X27968@ INDI
1 FAMC @X27967@
1 SEX M
1 NAME Pierre /AGenetic/
2 TYPE BIRTH
2 GIVN Pierre
2 SURN AGenetic
1 FAMS @X27971@
1 BIRT Y
1 DEAT
2 DATE 1903
0 @X27969@ INDI
1 SEX F
1 NAME Marie /B/
2 TYPE BIRTH
2 GIVN Marie
2 SURN B
1 NAME Marie /AGenetic/
2 TYPE MARRIED
2 GIVN Marie
2 SURN AGenetic
1 BIRT Y
1 DEAT
2 DATE 1903
1 FAMS @X27971@
0 @X27972@ INDI
1 NAME Paul /AGenetic/
2 TYPE BIRTH
2 GIVN Paul
2 SURN AGenetic
1 NAME Paul /ZAdopted/
2 TYPE ADOPTED
2 GIVN Paul
2 SURN ZAdopted
1 FAMC @X27971@
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE 1900
1 ADOP
2 FAMC @X27975@
2 DATE 1905
1 FAMS @X27977@
1 FAMC @X27975@
0 @X27973@ INDI
1 SEX M
1 NAME Jean /ZAdopted/
2 GIVN Jean
2 SURN ZAdopted
1 BIRT Y
1 FAMS @X27975@
0 @X27974@ INDI
1 SEX F
1 NAME Claire /Y/
2 TYPE BIRTH
2 GIVN Claire
2 SURN Y
1 NAME Claire /ZAdopted/
2 TYPE MARRIED
2 GIVN Claire
2 SURN ZAdopted
1 BIRT Y
1 FAMS @X27975@
0 @X27976@ INDI
1 SEX F
1 NAME Léa /F/
2 TYPE BIRTH
2 GIVN Léa
2 SURN F
1 NAME Léa /ZAdopted/
2 TYPE MARRIED
2 GIVN Léa
2 SURN ZAdopted
1 BIRT Y
1 FAMS @X27977@
0 @X27978@ INDI
1 FAMC @X27977@
1 SEX M
1 NAME Jules /ZAdopted/
2 TYPE BIRTH
2 GIVN Jules
2 SURN ZAdopted
1 BIRT
2 DATE 1921
0 @X27967@ FAM
1 MARR Y
1 HUSB @X27965@
1 WIFE @X27966@
1 CHIL @X27968@
0 @X27971@ FAM
1 HUSB @X27968@
1 WIFE @X27969@
1 MARR Y
1 CHIL @X27972@
0 @X27975@ FAM
1 MARR Y
1 HUSB @X27973@
1 WIFE @X27974@
1 CHIL @X27972@
0 @X27977@ FAM
1 MARR
2 DATE 1920
1 HUSB @X27972@
1 WIFE @X27976@
1 CHIL @X27978@
0 TRLR

here's a screenshot of Paul
 
Here's Jules' ascending tree
 
Here's the adoptive father's descendant tree
 
Now I've put Paul's adoptive name first, and here are the same trees
 
 

you can't see the different families easily and not at the same time, but that's normal, I think.

The custom module GVExport will show all persons and families in one diagram.
 

But your GEDCOM code is not correct. In the last line of "0 @X27972@ INDI" - the line "1 FAMC @X27975@" - there should be the line "2 PEDI ADOPTED" added. If this is corrected you will see in the diagram above that the arrow showing the adoption relation will change its color (if you check that option in GVExport).

If you would like to see how genealogical programs (including webtrees) are showing families with adoption, you may check
- discussion about that topic:  discourse.genealogy.net/t/ungewoehnliche...visualisieren/822464
- GenWiki article:  wiki.genealogy.net/Darstellung_einer_kom...Genealogieprogrammen
Both are in German but maybe your browser can offer a translation function.

Thank you Hermann for this information

But your GEDCOM code is not correct. In the last line of "0 @X27972@ INDI" - the line "1 FAMC @X27975@" - there should be the line "2 PEDI ADOPTED" added. If this is corrected you will see in the diagram above that the arrow showing the adoption relation will change its color (if you check that option in GVExport).

I have


with  IND:ADOPT:PEDI in RED

GVExport shows Genetic and Adoption families clearly

But if I use this module for other people in my tree, I get the following strange results
 

this module cannot be implemented for me because it surely works for small trees
But to be continued ...

 

You changed the wrong place. You had an adoption event. That was correct. No need to change.

Then you have a link from your adopted person to the family that adopts him. This link is formulated in the line "1 FAMC @X27975@" and there is a need for a second line "2 PEDI ADOPTED". But better than editing raw GEDCOM, you should be familiar with how to add an adoption using the GUI of webtrees.

this module cannot be implemented for me because it surely works for small trees

Your GVExport diagram looks very strange. It works for me perfectly for very large numbers of persons and families (at least several hundreds). Maybe give it a second try.