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Question Add PHON and EMAIL for individuals and families
- alice
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In my family, this use the the family tree is not further research back in time, but just as much keeping track of the family as it expands. The vast majority of the individuals in the tree are there fore people that are alive and that it would be nice to have contact information for, other than a house address.
The PHON (phone) and EMAIL (e-mail address) tags do not have to be part of the list of default activated tags, but just part of the list of accepted tags for individuals and families.
Thank you in advance.
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- fisharebest
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Just as PLAC and DATE are attributes of BIRT, DEAT, etc.
You need to add a residence (RESI) fact, and then the address/email/phone are attributes of that.
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- alice
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An e-mail address also does not 'belong' to the address, but it can belong to a job or an individual.
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We do this to ensure that your data will always be transferrable to other applications, and prevent "vendor lock-in".
The specification (which was written in 1999) says that phone numbers are parts of addresses, and belong to residences.
See the definitions for EVENT_DETAIL and ADDRESS_STRUCTURE - pages 31-33 of the spec.
wiki.webtrees.net/w/images-en/Ged551-5.pdf
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- norwegian_sardines
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Greg is correct that phone numbers and email addresses are attributes of a fact or event in the GEDCOM Standard. Not all software programs follow the standard when then produce a GEDCOM.
However, An email address does not "belong to an adddress", it is part of the address-structure but does not have to have a complete address to be valid, but does need a fact or event to be complete.
So, for Genealogy purposes I would put an individual's business phone, cell or land line under a fact called OCCUpation, or a home phone, cell or land line under a RESIdence fact.
The same for email addresses.
If you don't want to follow the GEDCOM standard this would be your choice, but it could cause issues at a later date, with lost data a possibility.
Ken
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- alice
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My issue is that if I do not correct the contents of the GedcomTag file I am not able to add them through the admin interface, not even as 'custom tags'. They are simply removed from the list when re-opening and even if on the liste when saving the selection is not respected.
If I could just add them in the settings for the tree I would not need to correct the GedcomTag file and essentially that is what is bothering me.
Would it be possible to somehow manually add other existing tags, than the ones approved for the type (and therefore on the list in the window that opens up) in the settings for the tree?
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> They are simply removed from the list when re-opening and even if on the liste when saving the selection is not respected.
I guess you are editing the "All individual facts" setting?
This config setting has a limit of 255 characters.
I guess you are entering more than this limit.
You could try moving some of the facts to the "Unique individual facts" setting.
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- alice
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fisharebest wrote: > I am not able to add them through the admin interface
> They are simply removed from the list when re-opening and even if on the liste when saving the selection is not respected.
I guess you are editing the "All individual facts" setting?
This config setting has a limit of 255 characters.
I guess you are entering more than this limit.
You could try moving some of the facts to the "Unique individual facts" setting.
I know that it is NOT the 255 character limit as they stayed just fine after I added the tags to the file.
(also just checked: with the extra tags the string is 212 long)
Try it your self: add ",PHON,EMAIL" manually to the "All individual facts" and then open the window (observe: they are not on any of the lists). Press save and observe they are no longer present in the string.
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I added the values, saved, and re-entered the page.
I can now add email/phone as facts
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You should add them to another fact/event. Typically you use a RESI (residence) for this.
Newer versions of webtrees are more strict about following GEDCOM standards than older ones.
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- norwegian_sardines
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The "Residence" fact is not the only place you can add this information (Occupation makes sense too), based on the GEDCOM 5.5.1 standard all facts can support the addition of an eMail address, phone number, or URL, but it may not make sense to set an eMail address or other data on a specific fact.
As a genealogist I not a big fan of using a genealogy database as an home address book, but it can be used if you are consistent in only using the "Residence" fact for this information!
Ken
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As indicated above, the fastest way to add an eMail address, phone number, or URL/Website/Facebook Page is to add a "Residence" fact. You do not need to enter a street address to complete the fact. Just enter the data you want to record in the appropriate field and save/except the new fact. The "Residence" fact is convenient because the fields you are looking for are displayed and easy to find.
The "Residence" fact is not the only place you can add this information (Occupation makes sense too), based on the GEDCOM 5.5.1 standard all facts can support the addition of an eMail address, phone number, or URL, but it may not make sense to set an eMail address or other data on a specific fact.
As a genealogist I not a big fan of using a genealogy database as an home address book, but it can be used if you are consistent in only using the "Residence" fact for this information!
I have webtrees 2.1.15
I want to add individuals' mobile numbers.
I cannot see "Phone", "Fax", "URL" or "Email address" fields under "Residence".
Do I have to enable these fields from somewhere in the settings/ control panel? Am I missing something?
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You can read the standard here: webtrees.net/downloads/gedcom-5-5-1.pdf
GEDCOM does not allow address details to be added to an individual...
Instead, you must create a "Residence" fact, and add the address details there.
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webtrees follows the GEDCOM standard for data fields.
You can read the standard here: webtrees.net/downloads/gedcom-5-5-1.pdf
GEDCOM does not allow address details to be added to an individual...
Instead, you must create a "Residence" fact, and add the address details there.
Thanks for quick response.
As you can see in my attached screenshot, the "Residence" fact does not have Phone, Fax, URL, Email Address fields as opposed to @norwegian_sardines
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These fields are used in frequently, and so hidden by default.
You can change this in: Control panel -> GEDCOM tags
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