Question add adoption parents

How do I enter the adoption parents of a person?
I think I am looking at the wrong place...

Best regards,
Guido

The child exists in the tree?

The parents exist in the tree?

From the child's page:
Families tab -> Link to an existing family as a child
Then choose "Pedigree: adopted"

Only the child is in the tree at this moment.

You can convert normal/birth parents into adopted parents using the same option.

Choose the "Link to existing family as a child", and select the existing parents.
Select "pedigree: adopted"

I wrote that only the child is in my tree. At this moment there isn't an existing family as adoption parents.

Create them as usual parents, then remove the child and add it again giving it the proper pedigree.
Or edit the raw gedcom of the link from child to family:

The person already have a biological mother. How do I create parents (which I have to change to adopting parents)? The adopting father nor the adopting mother are in my tree.
I am searching for a link containing "Link this individual to a new family as a child".

It might be easiest to create the new family first.
Use the control panel to add a new/unlinked person (e.g. the father).
Then add a wife to the father.
Then link the child to this new family.

Your exact situation is difficult to follow. Let me assume that you currently have person A linked to mother B as a biological child, and you want to add A's adoptive parents C and D as new individuals to your tree. Is that correct?

The easiest way is to create a new family that contains one of the adoptive parents and one existing individual -- it doesn't matter who because we will later apply "Change Family Members" to put the correct people into that family. For example, let's create the new family by adding C as a new husband to the biological mother, B. Now to complete the process:
1) add A as a child with PEDI adopted
2) delete B from the mother role
3) use "Add a wife to this family" to create D

My problem is solved: I didn't take a look in the control panel.
Thanks for all answers and your patience.

Best regards,
Guido

Greg wrote:

It might be easiest to create the new family first.
Use the control panel to add a new/unlinked person (e.g. the father).
Then add a wife to the father. Then link the child to this new family.

This advice only works if you have access to the control panel. What if the person trying to add a set of adoptive parents is just an Editor or Moderator? I don't see a clean way for someone in those roles to directly create a new/unlinked individual.

Well, I do have access to the control panel, but find it easier and less disrupting the flow to create an unrelated person by adding to any random existing family and directly remove the person from it.

We do not prevent regular users from creating a second set of parents, nor do we prevent them from creating unlinked individuals.

We simply hide the links.

This is because they can easily be used by mistake, and can cause more problems than they solve.

If there is a consensus opinion that we should make these options available, then I'd be happy to do that.

Although I don't know where we would put the "add unlinked XXX" option.

Why I was never in favor of regular members adding unconnected families and individuals, your thoughts may vary:

First, In family genealogy, we normally are answering the question, “where did (I/Grand Parent/person “A”) come from? To answer that question, the general flow of data entry for genealogy, is to start with that given person and work paths away from them. In general you can’t answer that question by just adding unconnected people.

Second, The vast majority of people out there have only one set of parents. Even when we speak not as genealogists but as family historians, the norm is to have one set of parents. For instances were this is not the case, having the admin create the unlinked person is not a hassle. This admin check is similar to asking that all entries be authorized and excepted by a “higher power”.

Third, In the past I have seen cases where data entry people get themselves in trouble adding unconnected people and we get issues of being able to search for someone and either finding duplicates, adding data to the wrong person, or creating unconnected “islands” of people. I’ve seen this in other programs and for a while with webtrees because the ability to add unconnected individuals was given to non-admins.

Why it could be good to have the ability to add unconnected individuals and families.

If your tree has a small group of data entry people, and they really understand how the data is connected then their is little harm in more of them having this ability. For a very few number of instances such as “Surname studies” and “Location studies” a larger group of data entry people could have the ability to add “unconnected” individuals. Maybe “Moderators” should have access to a page similar to the console that contains only these options. This page would granted to them by the admin for cases as noted above.

A totally other thing to consider: setting parent-child relations in families other than natural birth is quite cumbersome in webtrees. It works one way only: in the opposite direction of how I usually do it (in the family: change members) and you get one chance only. Other than raw edit there's no dialog to change it afterwards. It gives me headaches every time I have to set foster or adoptive parents.
Maybe now I finally imprinted the procedure (from the child: add to family)

We are using webtrees to make an inventory of all baptisms, marriages en burials in a village based on the church records. We are a group of several people working together on this project. We constantly need to add new unrelated individuals each time we enter a new marriage. An easy way to do this is to give every collaborator Manager rights en thus the abililty to add a new unlinked individual. However, doing so makes you loose all control, there should only be ONE administrator, or at lesat as few as possible.
Another possibility is to link the new person to an existing one and break the link later. This is far from user friendly expecially when you have to do this 6000 times, since only for marriages we have 6000 of them to enter in the database.
What is the problem with adding a button or page to which the admin/manager can grant the editors access to, and enabling them so to add an unrelated person with one click of the mouse??
This is probably too easy....
webtrees is highly configurable, but this possibility is lacking. It is annoying us this much that we consider abandonning webtrees as our major software for our cooperative projects.
Sincerely

> An easy way to do this is to give every collaborator Manager rights en thus the abililty to add a new unlinked individual.

All users *can* add unlinked individuals. They just need to visit the URL

Where to add this link?
In a HTML block on the home page of the tree?
In a HTML block on the home page of the user?

fisharebest wrote: > An easy way to do this is to give every collaborator Manager rights en thus the abililty to add a new unlinked individual.

All users *can* add unlinked individuals. They just need to visit the URL

Code:

/tree/<TREE>/add-unlinked-individual

Where to add this link?
In a HTML block on the home page of the tree?
In a HTML block on the home page of the user?

In my opinion, it would be both convenient and not-too-distracting to add it to the list of actions for "Edit" button near the upper-right corner of most pages in V 2.0:

• For Individual page, the current choices are:
  • Add a name
  • Re-order names
  • Edit the sex
  • Re-order families
  • Add a media object
  • Re-order media
  • Delete
  • Edit raw GEDCOM
• For Family page, the current choices are:
  • Change family members
  • Add a child
  • Delete
  • Edit raw GEDCOM

If you place it at the bottom of the list (below raw GEDCOM) it should be clear this is an uncommon case.

fisharebest wrote: Where to add this link?
In a HTML block on the home page of the tree?

The use case is to edit the tree 'directly'. So it seems most intuitive to have it within a tree edit menu. This edit menu could indeed be placed within a html block on the home page (it may be too intrusive to put it elsewhere, e.g. in the page header near the tree name/ search box).

I don't think the other edit menus (individual/family) are a good container for this option - Why should the user have to navigate to some (arbitrary) individual first when the use case is to add an unrelated individual?

The “use case” seems to me to be. I think this is what Greg and Ric are suggesting.

1. ”I need to add a new individual”
2. Let’s sign on to webtrees
3. view main user specific HTML welcome screen
4. activate “add unrelated individual”
5. enter data

They can search to see if the individual exists then from the menu drop down do to “my page” to add the new person.