Question field Religion is missing

Daelbrecht
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2 weeks 3 days ago #116916 by Daelbrecht

field Religion is missing was created by Daelbrecht

I used to see the field Religion when I entered a baptism, marriage or burial.
I installed the latest version 2.2.6 Webtrees and now the field Religion is shown only when I enter a baptism. I do not know if this is linked to this latest webtrees version, I only suppose bev-cause it is the only thing I changed recently.
Is this normal? What can I do to make appear the field religion again when entering a marriage or
burial?
Sincerely
Daniel
webrees 2.2.6 - Php 8.4.23

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Franz Frese
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2 weeks 3 days ago - 2 weeks 3 days ago #116917 by Franz Frese

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Religion is one of the fields selected for not to be shown on normal edit for death and so on (because rarely used, so for most indis it is empty).
You can enter the religion using the "Edit with all GEDCOM tags".

btw: religion is nothing, that normally changes at an event. So there is a "global" fact called "Religion".

If genealogical work isn't meant to be shared, I wonder what it's meant to be at all: For to get help, tell the address of your webtrees site!
mine is: freris.de

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2 weeks 3 days ago #116918 by rola

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Franz Frese wrote:
btw: religion is nothing, that normally changes at an event. So there is a "global" fact called "Religion".

The person can be for example roman-catholic, but the religious marriage can be protestant (mixed religion marriage). Or it can be that protestant religion was prohibited, and therefore the marriage was "catholic". The same with burial.

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webtrees 2.2.6 + ⚶ Vesta modules (from cissee.de/ ) + about 15 other modules
on PHP Version 8.4.20

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2 weeks 3 days ago - 2 weeks 3 days ago #116919 by Franz Frese

Replied by Franz Frese on topic field Religion is missing

I wrote "normally".
But I never saw a person changing his / her religion at death / burial.

btw: if you have installed the vesta (I think classic look and feel) you can configure the religion subfield (and others) to show always for edit.

If genealogical work isn't meant to be shared, I wonder what it's meant to be at all: For to get help, tell the address of your webtrees site!
mine is: freris.de

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Greetings from Utrecht, Holland

2 weeks 3 days ago - 2 weeks 3 days ago #116920 by bertkoor

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Daelbrecht wrote:
I used to see the field Religion when I entered a baptism, marriage or burial. [...] Is this normal?

No, this is not totally normal. There was an issue reported about this four years ago:
github.com/fisharebest/webtrees/issues/4243

I just tried it on the webtrees demo server, which does not have any 3rd party modules installed.

Baptism (tag BAPM) should certainly include the Religion subtag. If not, then something is wrong with your installation.
Christening (tag CHR) is often confused with Baptism. It comes with only a checkbox 'This event occurred' and no further details.
Marriage indeed does not include the Religion subtag, since it is optional and only is put on the form when you click on 'Edit with all GEDCOM tags'. However, you can make a custom module or simply edit the file app/Elements/Marriage.php, and change line 40. If you remove the colon and question mark, then it will always be on the edit form:

Code:

'RELI' => '0:1',
The same goes for Burial. You can edit line 35 of app/Elements/Burial.php and remove "" at the end.

stamboom.BertKoor.nl runs on webtrees v2.2.6

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Greetings from Utrecht, Holland

2 weeks 3 days ago - 2 weeks 3 days ago #116921 by bertkoor

Replied by bertkoor on topic field Religion is missing

I've made a custom module for you, so you don't need to edit any files and the change will still be there after upgrades.

Create a directory "add-religion" in the directory "modules_v4". Create a text file named "module.php" in that directory with the following content:

Code:

<?php
declare(strict_types=1);

namespace MyOwnNamespace;

use Fisharebest\Webtrees\Elements\Burial;
use Fisharebest\Webtrees\Elements\Marriage;
use Fisharebest\Webtrees\I18N;
use Fisharebest\Webtrees\Module\AbstractModule;
use Fisharebest\Webtrees\Module\ModuleCustomInterface;
use Fisharebest\Webtrees\Module\ModuleCustomTrait;
use Fisharebest\Webtrees\Registry;

class AddReligionModule extends AbstractModule implements ModuleCustomInterface
{
  use ModuleCustomTrait;

  public function title(): string
  {
    return 'Add Religion';
  }

  public function description(): string
  {
    return 'This module adds the Religion subtag to the Marriage & Burial events';
  }

  public function customModuleVersion(): string
  {
    return '0.1.0';
  }

  public function customModuleAuthorName(): string
  {
    return 'BertKoor';
  }

  public function boot(): void
  {
    Registry::elementFactory()->registerTags(
      [
        'INDI:BURI' => new MyBurial(I18N::translate('Burial')),
        'FAM:MARR' => new MyMarriage(I18N::translate('Marriage')),
      ]
    );
  }

}

class MyBurial extends Burial {
  protected const array SUBTAGS = [
    'TYPE' => '0:1:?',
    'DATE' => '0:1',
    'AGE' => '0:1:?',
    'PLAC' => '0:1',
    'ADDR' => '0:1',
    'CAUS' => '0:1:?',
    'AGNC' => '0:1:?',
    'RELI' => '0:1',
    'NOTE' => '0:M',
    'OBJE' => '0:M',
    'SOUR' => '0:M',
    'RESN' => '0:1',
  ];
}

class MyMarriage extends Marriage {
  protected const array SUBTAGS = [
    'TYPE' => '0:1',
    'DATE' => '0:1',
    'HUSB' => '0:1',
    'WIFE' => '0:1',
    'PLAC' => '0:1',
    'ADDR' => '0:1',
    'EMAIL' => '0:1:?',
    'WWW' => '0:1:?',
    'PHON' => '0:1:?',
    'FAX' => '0:1:?',
    'CAUS' => '0:1:?',
    'AGNC' => '0:1:?',
    'RELI' => '0:1',
    'NOTE' => '0:M',
    'OBJE' => '0:M',
    'SOUR' => '0:M',
    'RESN' => '0:1',
  ];
}

return new AddReligionModule();

Good luck!

stamboom.BertKoor.nl runs on webtrees v2.2.6

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Franz Frese
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2 weeks 3 days ago - 2 weeks 3 days ago #116922 by Franz Frese

Replied by Franz Frese on topic field Religion is missing

the app, that creates my gedcom does not use BAPM (may be all indis are of religion catholic). It uses CHR with Date, ...
1 CHR
2 DATE 14 SEP 1766
2 ADDR Sankt Martin
2 PLAC Bigge

If genealogical work isn't meant to be shared, I wonder what it's meant to be at all: For to get help, tell the address of your webtrees site!
mine is: freris.de

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2 weeks 3 days ago #116923 by Brandmannetje

Replied by Brandmannetje on topic field Religion is missing

=16.32pxFor those who want some background information:Some background information:What is the Difference Between a Baptism and a Christening?For those not familiar with religion, it can sometimes be a minefield of understanding.One question I am asked all the time is 'What is the difference between a Baptism and a Christening?'.To put it simply, a Christening is a ceremony in which a name is given to a child, and a Baptism is one of the 7 sacraments of the Catholic Church.In some religious traditions, a baptism is also called a christening, but for others the word "christening" is reserved for the baptism of infants, as this is when they are officially given a name. It is unusual to have a Christening for an adult.It's a common misconception that the Catholic Church only recognises its own Baptism as being valid. Catholics actually believe that any Baptism/Christening, no matter the denomination, which uses the words "in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" and involves the use of water, either through pouring or immersion, validly introduces a person as a Christian.Key Differences at a Glance:

Baptism is a traditional sacrament, Christening is not
Baptism can be done at any age, Christening is traditionally for babies and young children
Christening usually involves a naming ceremony, Baptism usually does not
Christening is when water is poured or sprinkled on the head, while Baptism methods vary
Baptism was practiced and mentioned before Christianity, Christening was first referenced in the 14th century
"Baptism" is a Greek word, "Christening" is English

Arno

General website:
www.familie-sormani.eu

Webtreessites:
www.sormani.familie-sormani.eu and www.dreef.familie-sormani.eu both on Webtrees 2.2.6 and Vesta 2.2.6.0.0

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2 weeks 3 days ago #116924 by Franz Frese

Replied by Franz Frese on topic field Religion is missing

you say: Baptism is a traditional sacrament, Christening is not
In germany we call that "Taufe" and that is for sure a "sacrament" for catholics .
Familysearch has been using the wording "Baptism" but since some time they changed that to "Kleinkindtaufe" / "Christening" as the standard input (while Baptism always was and still is a special tag)

If genealogical work isn't meant to be shared, I wonder what it's meant to be at all: For to get help, tell the address of your webtrees site!
mine is: freris.de

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bertkoor
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Greetings from Utrecht, Holland

2 weeks 3 days ago #116925 by bertkoor

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Christening should have lots of subtags, not only Religion is missing.
I've reported it: github.com/fisharebest/webtrees/issues/5427

If I recall correctly, some languages have identical translations fo baptism and christening in webtrees. But that is drifting off the original subject.

stamboom.BertKoor.nl runs on webtrees v2.2.6

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